Yoshi-P: Atma drop % = "it's just luck"

[Penguinmayhem]

It's not unfair. Everyone has the same probability of success.

However, what it is is completely meaningless. Making it entirely RNG dependent takes away any sense of accomplishment because you're not winning your reward, you're just being given it by the computer entirely at random. You're not better off for being good at something, you're better off because of a dice roll. It's like a lottery. I'm sure any one of us would be thrilled if you won, sure, you'll go on the internet and tell all your friends that it's really awesome and great and there's nothing wrong with the system at all.

Then again, you could have just made millions doing something productive rather than throwing money away time and time again on a one in fourteen billion possibility that you'd make it big.

[Duuude007]

Then again, you could have just made millions doing something productive rather than throwing money away time and time again on a one in fourteen billion possibility that you'd make it big.

That's ... kind of the point. It is a time sink. By design.

It is also optional and in no way prevents you from attacking the content in FFXIV, should you choose to pass on it.

[Nero]

That's ... kind of the point. It is a time sink. By design.

It is also optional and in no way prevents you from attacking the content in FFXIV, should you choose to pass on it.

Someone who actually get it's. I fear that most people have a problem with timesinks in general, but then again miss the point that Relic-Progression is just an Option beside bought ( Soldiery Weapons ) and actual Raid Drops. If people do not like the one way or the other, they still have 2 more ways to get an "equal" weapon.

[Ecks007]

You don't need an FC or static to run Levi Ex. Maybe 2nd Coil, but not Levi.

Have you made any friends that are good players? Perhaps joined a LS with some decent folks that know how to play the game?

Personally I have a few LS that have people that run Levi and I know a fair amount of them just from playing with them in the game. That's how I get things done, and I'm in a small FC and have not even been in a static even for 1st Coil.

[Felis]

The Zenith currently feels like one to me.

Yes, the Zenith weapons were a hand-out.
This was also the reason why the allagan weapons got a ilevel increase with 2.1, because at the end it was too simple to get a zenith weapon.
If the time challenge for the final weapons is the same like for atma and animus, the chances are good that not too many players would have it so that the final weapons can have the same ilevel like the best coil weapons again.

[Yukiko]

Most i have talked with have already given up on their secund job because of atma and myth farm for books afterwards...
Most who do not have their animus yet said they will give up on novus weapon when i told them it is planed for 2.25 -> delayed to 2.28 was a good move from SE to motivate at least some to finish the quest...
They lowered some achivements because ridiculous ammount of time you needed... Once again they show us, that it is not in their interest to let us play more than one job!

SE have completely lost their overview. At least on achivements you can work from level 1 onwards, but those atma is limited to conditions that makes it impossible for any newcomer to ever complete it for ONE job (special after 2.8)...

[silentwindfr]

the trouble is some player was complaining about the fact that they was playing only one class and had nothing to do.
but i want to say, this game was made with the idea behind that we can play multiple class with the same character, however, if the design after make impossible to use this! it's a huge mistake!
don't copy WoW model totally, since it can't be used with the arsenal system!

[Penguinmayhem]

bleep

But it's not even a very smart time sink. A better time sink would be just straight up forcing all players to grind for however long the team decides it should take on a strictly linear basis, not an RNG that may or may not completely at random give some players their incredibly rare, hard to obtain reward after their first attempt and others after their eleven millionth attempt.

The RNG reward mentality just makes no sense to me, in this context, because it's not decreasing the rate at which people get their reward, it's removing any actual quantifiable sense of progress and turning a grind quest into something utterly tedious and pointless. You're not working toward something that's RNG-controlled, you're not increasing your chances of getting one the more you do it, that's not how probability works. Every single time you do this quest, you have exactly the same one-in-a-million chance of getting your reward, and there is nothing you can do to improve that.

That's anti-player gameplay. That's 1980s gameplay. That's punishing people for wanting something.

[Tiggy]

I knew that "Theory" was a bunch of crap. Nice to have him put it out there clearly so it can die.

[Yumi_umi]

See, you can't approach luck like that or you'll drive yourself crazy.

I know tht lol thus why i gave up after the first few hours of atma grinding on the first few days of patch.
I knew it was going to be all badluck and bs from there on. So i was like nope and then left to go waste my time somewhere else doing something else. Logged off, turned on wii u and played some other games that were casual cuz it's more fun like that. (Mh3u, mario 3d world, nintendo land!! )
Then i thought while i was slaying monsters and jumping on goombas; what if i got an atma piece by now? Pfffft lol wtf am i thinking? Not even.

Fates hate me and i hate fates.
The feeling is mutual and we have both come to an agreement that we just cannot coexist with eachother while the other still being happy.
So thank you to all those fate parties zerging those fates around me, i really appreciate it.
Death to fates my comrades.