Summoner is getting a fix, but what about Scholar?

[OmegaSinX]

there is a reason they are 2 different classes. Will you be happy if whms get pets that auto heal and give buffs and gain an ability that instantly lets us get mp. what if we get shields?

it is not an issue at all. 2 sch is 4 healers in 1 party. Titan EX is fine as long as people arent getting caught out of place a lot. also T2s argument is "enrage" which isnt how it was meant to be done, but they just allowed it.

They are both their separate classes and both have pros and cons. I like this post from reddit that explains it. I feel they both should stay where they are at. Eventually the game will get 1 or 2 more new healer classes. they have to somehow remain different from each other.

I understand your logic, but Even if SCH got a AoE Embrace(100 potency)+Succor, it still wouldnt match Cure III potency which cost the same amount of MP. WHM would still be AoE Healing King. WHM has 3 AoE Heals vs SCH 1. Not to meantion WHM has a spammable regen vs SCH's which is on a 60sec CD. I'm not saying give both healers all the same spells which you are implying. Im saying both should be able to do same thing

Sorta how WAR and PLD was before 2.1. The 2 had different styles of tanking, but one was significantly better than the othere. You can still keep the different styles but both should be able to do the same thing equally.

[Lemon8or]

When you're paired with 2 Scholars as opposed to 2 White Mages or a WHM+SCH, the party is at a disadvantage when it comes to healing.

Depending on the encounter and how well your group does. The best turn 5 group I've run with was with 2 scholars.

[Niroken]

I understand your logic, but Even if SCH got a AoE Embrace(100 potency)+Succor, it still wouldnt match Cure III potency which cost the same amount of MP. WHM would still be AoE Healing King. WHM has 3 AoE Heals vs SCH 1.

I think your overestimating how useful Cure III's small radius is to a class that needs to conserve mana.

[Cassandaria]

Shield stacking using galvanize doesn' tmake sense. 2 whm's can't dual SS any more than two sch being able to dual galvanize. However, most content is designed for you to be capable of having one of each healer there, and galvanize stacks with stoneskin. If you have two scholars, just have one throw out a stoneskin or something. stacking shields would likely confuse the system and create unfair exploits. Now the scholar regen from the fairy stacks with whm regens and all regen types (regen and medica 2) stack with each other as well, so I don't really see a point to making shields do the same thing.

[Prettylush]

Scholars are incredibly good. They do not need a buff.

[OmegaSinX]

I think your overestimating how useful Cure III's small radius is to a class that needs to conserve mana.

In most situations where the party needs to be topped off quickly after a big hit from Unavoidable AoE ( Titan , Garuda's Blast, Aetheric profusion, Turn2 etc...), the party should be stacking anyway. A Good WHM will use a macro to call out when he/she about to use Cure III so party can gather.

Succor AoE heal is lacking when it comes to Topping off the party, and if Whispering dawn is on cool down, You'll need 2 or even 3 succors (800-1200mp), triple the mana for what one cure III would have done in 1 GCD . Also, if you have a good party who's good at dodging, most of the time the shield from Succor wears off anyway. So alot of the time what end up happenning is your spending 400mp for a 150potency heal. Not very effiecent if you ask me.


I'm not saying SCH needs a equivalent spell to CureIII, that would be broken. But i do feel SCH need a AoE Pet Healing ability thats not on a 60 CD.

Heck I'd be happy with a 100potency pet AoE heal on a 10sec CD.

[nitewing]

plain and simple they are two different jobs. sch is better at the single target healing while whm is more aoe heals. also nothing is wrong with sch

[Shadowzanon]

You may be wondering why many have replied why sch shield stacking is op, kills the need for whms n all. Well I will elaborate. A well timed adlo and whm stone skin can allow a tank to completely bypass a stack mechanic. This was apparent on some fights and before everyone got lazy on turn 2 and do enrage, there were groups who have timed this combo so well 1 tank could go through most of the fight without ever getting a stacking debuff from the bosses. this also worked on titan ex. Sch synergize with warrior tanks big time and if aldo were to stack the shield a warrior tank would get will cause some mechanics to fail and groups favoring 2 sch and warrior tanks over any other combo.

[Gruntler]

Two Scholars?

Not having two Galvanizes stack is a minor price to pay to be able to always have 50% E4E uptime, 100% Sacred Soil uptime, Virus on main target and an off target, 6 lustrates, and two fairies running in tandem.

[Lemon8or]

Sch synergize with warrior tanks big time and if aldo were to stack the shield a warrior tank would get will cause some mechanics to fail and groups favoring 2 sch and warrior tanks over any other combo.

Math has proven that PLD actually benefits tiny bit more from adlo than WAR. It's inherent to Shield Oath and Defiance healing bonus.