Quote Originally Posted by Yurihyuga View Post
Once you have a mix of 70/80/90 gear might then want to do HM primals and start working towards relic and then +1 but again need at least an ilvl that is fair even if it is easier now than it ever was with echo and such people should still progress properly.
Hard mode primals were always tuned for people in a mix of AF, level 60 gear and some Darklight. Now they have been made easier than before, and you want an average ilevel of 80?

It seems that now people are over-gearing everything, they forget what the real requirements are, relying on gear rather than skill.