please revise ilvl req on df

[alhandra]

i got a smn in AK last night wearing lvl 39 mnd jewelry and using the book from stone vigil. she was nice enough tho, welcomed our advice about gearing casters and overall i think she may have learned something. all is fine and well, cuz it was just AK

however, if i encountered this kind of nubbyness in Coil i would be more than a little peeved. good thing i would never use DF for coil, why on gods green earth would anyone subject themselves to that? not only is it a crap shoot on the skill lvl of players you might get but its also alot more efficient to be able to choose the classes you take with you.

[lxSch]

i got a smn in AK last night wearing lvl 39 mnd jewelry and using the book from stone vigil. she was nice enough tho, welcomed our advice about gearing casters and overall i think she may have learned something. all is fine and well, cuz it was just AK

however, if i encountered this kind of nubbyness in Coil i would be more than a little peeved. good thing i would never use DF for coil, why on gods green earth would anyone subject themselves to that? not only is it a crap shoot on the skill lvl of players you might get but its also alot more efficient to be able to choose the classes you take with you.

I had an i40-i50 monk in PS with i55 weapon, cleared fine. I do coil through DF a lot and never had issue with people's gear, in many cases i dps or help with healing if dps/healer are less geared.

[Gilraen]

All iLevel is is a 'You must be this X to ride' sign. Sadly, people want things broken down into simple terms and iLevel provides that. The fact dungeons require specific iLevels only promotes that view.

Why should people not be allowed to choose who they play with?

You're not forced to discriminate based on ilevel yourself, and you're not forced to join that person's party.

They didn't say people shouldn't choose, that's what Party Finder is there for. But iLevel is a terrible means of gating content and really should be done away with. Yes, Duty Finder will again produce undergeared people but believe it or not, they never were a 'flood' level problem. I know I never tried the harder content unless I could meaningfully contribute, my friends had to actually push me to try Titan (Hard) once I was in mostly Toxotes and had a primal weapon. Got my win, by the way, thanks to that.

[VallisRaine]

I promise you it's not about gear or iLvl. Skill > Gear/iLvL for example yesterday i ran T1 in DF on Pld now my Pld is only ilvl 80 atm. I'm not sure what iLvl the other Pld was but he was horrific. The only thing that was true was that he had iLvl 100 chest and about 600 more Hp then me and that he was terribad. Given that he said it was his first time on tank there and that he didn't know what spirits within was I tried to walk him through it very nicely. Either he wasn't rotating Cd's right or just didn't know the job I'm not sure but he had immense problems getting hate at split while i MT the Main Cad over to B spot. And on top of that he'd die half way through his snake after split, finally giving up after 4-5 wipes mad like it was the worlds fault. The whole party was more then willing to help him learn it even though it was DF group and we didn't mind the wipes. Lesson of the day iLvl is fine people just need more patience

[aerolol]

I saw a Blackmage who had no Flare on T4.
He was very confused and thought he needed Relic Weapon to get Flare.


I've also seen a WHM with no Regen on T1. (Regen comes from lv 35 WHM quest !!)
Other healer asked him to have a Regen up on both tanks after split.
He said " I dont have that spell "
When asked "how could you miss that, it's one of the first WHM job quests " he replied that he " hates class quests because they are solo ".
>_>


Fortunately he was vote-kicked after wiping on Caduceus 3 times.
The party did OK on ADS because the other healer was good.
This crappy healer died on the first long-line AoE ADS does, was resurrected and died in 5 seconds.

Lucky for us another healer came in a few seconds and we killed the snakes with ease.

[Shori]

iLvl reqs are based on a) what the testers used to clear the dungeon or trial and b) what gear drops as a reward.
to address OP's concern of jewelery raising ilevel: this is the bigger issue indeed and not the requirement. perhaps if body, legs, and weapon were heavier weighted in the average this could be avoided.

[skaterger]

ilvl requirements are indeed a tad on the low side. The reason coil runs are still relatively successful is because there are at least 2-3 players in i90 or more carrying the group, not to mention the echo buff. Try putting a full party of 8 strangers with an ilvl of 70 in turn 1 and watch the carnage.

[Gilraen]

ilvl requirements are indeed a tad on the low side. The reason coil runs are still relatively successful is because there are at least 2-3 players in i90 or more carrying the group, not to mention the echo buff. Try putting a full party of 8 strangers with an ilvl of 70 in turn 1 and watch the carnage.

Who needs to try, the first groups through Turn 1, long before the devs even thought to give Coil the Echo or gate content with iLevel requirements, WERE iL60-70. It was rough, but they did it and cleared up to deeper Turns to get that sweet, sweet loot. Yet it seems people have 'conveniently' forgotten that this game used to NOT have iLevel requirements and we all cleared the dungeons, well before the nerfs, without too much trouble if you were willing to learn what to do. Nothing is on the low side except peoples' levels of tolerance.

[skaterger]

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You seem to be conveniently forgetting that this is df we are talking about. These are the players who vote abandon after 1-2 wipes. Compare that with highly skilled statics who cleared said content in i60-70 gear. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

I'm not condoning the dr or the ilvl. Just stating it the way it is.

[Gilraen]

You seem to be conveniently forgetting that this is df we are talking about. These are the players who vote abandon after 1-2 wipes. Compare that with highly skilled statics who cleared said content in i60-70 gear. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

I'm not condoning the dr or the ilvl. Just stating it the way it is.

No, I'm not forgetting them, I'm actually thinking of them. The first people into every dungeon knew jack about it and had to learn everything the hard way, we all did. But now we have whole swathes of people who have done the dungeons and don't feel like helping those that come after for some reason or another. Instead they're relying on iLevel to make sure they don't have to deal with these fresh people and if they're suddenly forced to group with the new people they pitch fits and get argumentative. Or worse.