please revise ilvl req on df

[Sessurea]

Eh. The extreme primals (excluding Leviathan) required ilvls are too low.

yh, still waiting for the world 1st titan extreme clear with everyone avg i67. ( of course, no echo buff allowed )

Honestly don't mind playing with ppl with entry level gear, but it can be a lot of pressure to clear certain dps checks, but that's ok too I guess.....

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

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you can't avoid Suparnas wicked wheel? I think you need to re evaluate as it is indeed avoidable. that is the correct name of the attack. vortex is the same thing. newbie dps sitting in the open or behind wrong sides of pillars get destroyed most of the time.

maybe i've been in more strategies than you where the Ot pulls sup instead of chi or the team splits into the triangle formation. if thats the case, then sorry you didn't understand what i meant and that i didnt fully clarify.

[PArcher]

Wont change a dam thing. Then you have people in pf saying stuff like "At least darklight or equivalent, at least CT or equivalent, ect.

Remember way back when, when everyone was doing CM for Philo and AK had terribad queues?

Yeah..."Full Darklight and Relic" were the shout advertisements for everything...eventually became "Must have Relic+1 and some Myth gear"

Good times...

[aerolol]

I saw a Blackmage who had no Flare on T4.
He was very confused and thought he needed Relic Weapon to get Flare.


I've also seen a WHM with no Regen on T1. (Regen comes from lv 35 WHM quest !!)
Other healer asked him to have a Regen up on both tanks after split.
He said " I dont have that spell "
When asked "how could you miss that, it's one of the first WHM job quests " he replied that he " hates class quests because they are solo ".
>_>


Fortunately he was vote-kicked after wiping on Caduceus 3 times.
The party did OK on ADS because the other healer was good.
This crappy healer died on the first long-line AoE ADS does, was resurrected and died in 5 seconds.

Lucky for us another healer came in a few seconds and we killed the snakes with ease.

[Shori]

iLvl reqs are based on a) what the testers used to clear the dungeon or trial and b) what gear drops as a reward.
to address OP's concern of jewelery raising ilevel: this is the bigger issue indeed and not the requirement. perhaps if body, legs, and weapon were heavier weighted in the average this could be avoided.

[skaterger]

ilvl requirements are indeed a tad on the low side. The reason coil runs are still relatively successful is because there are at least 2-3 players in i90 or more carrying the group, not to mention the echo buff. Try putting a full party of 8 strangers with an ilvl of 70 in turn 1 and watch the carnage.

[Gilraen]

ilvl requirements are indeed a tad on the low side. The reason coil runs are still relatively successful is because there are at least 2-3 players in i90 or more carrying the group, not to mention the echo buff. Try putting a full party of 8 strangers with an ilvl of 70 in turn 1 and watch the carnage.

Who needs to try, the first groups through Turn 1, long before the devs even thought to give Coil the Echo or gate content with iLevel requirements, WERE iL60-70. It was rough, but they did it and cleared up to deeper Turns to get that sweet, sweet loot. Yet it seems people have 'conveniently' forgotten that this game used to NOT have iLevel requirements and we all cleared the dungeons, well before the nerfs, without too much trouble if you were willing to learn what to do. Nothing is on the low side except peoples' levels of tolerance.

[skaterger]

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You seem to be conveniently forgetting that this is df we are talking about. These are the players who vote abandon after 1-2 wipes. Compare that with highly skilled statics who cleared said content in i60-70 gear. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

I'm not condoning the dr or the ilvl. Just stating it the way it is.

[Gilraen]

You seem to be conveniently forgetting that this is df we are talking about. These are the players who vote abandon after 1-2 wipes. Compare that with highly skilled statics who cleared said content in i60-70 gear. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

I'm not condoning the dr or the ilvl. Just stating it the way it is.

No, I'm not forgetting them, I'm actually thinking of them. The first people into every dungeon knew jack about it and had to learn everything the hard way, we all did. But now we have whole swathes of people who have done the dungeons and don't feel like helping those that come after for some reason or another. Instead they're relying on iLevel to make sure they don't have to deal with these fresh people and if they're suddenly forced to group with the new people they pitch fits and get argumentative. Or worse.

[lxSch]

i got a smn in AK last night wearing lvl 39 mnd jewelry and using the book from stone vigil. she was nice enough tho, welcomed our advice about gearing casters and overall i think she may have learned something. all is fine and well, cuz it was just AK

however, if i encountered this kind of nubbyness in Coil i would be more than a little peeved. good thing i would never use DF for coil, why on gods green earth would anyone subject themselves to that? not only is it a crap shoot on the skill lvl of players you might get but its also alot more efficient to be able to choose the classes you take with you.

I had an i40-i50 monk in PS with i55 weapon, cleared fine. I do coil through DF a lot and never had issue with people's gear, in many cases i dps or help with healing if dps/healer are less geared.