People who say BLM does not need a little dmg bump either don't raid, have never parsed their dps against other players, or have never played BLM. The most specialized dps class in the game, blm, parses behind many of the other classes. If you do turn 8, essentially a giant training dummy for dps, everyone can execute a near perfect dps rotation with little interruption. During that fight, it is easy to see how BLM, with a perfect rotation, stands up against a MNK or DRG with a perfect rotation. The difference in DPS is gigantic.
If all things are equal, MNK, BRD, and SMN do more dps. BRD does less DPS, but they bring so much more utility than any other dps class can. MNK, DRG, BRD and SMN bring raid utilities such as stuns, silences, songs and switcast raise. BLM brings absolutely no meaningful utility.
The only thing BLM is the best at is AoE burst. No raid fights, other than turn 4, require extensive AoE. So, with the exception of one fight, BLM is outshined by other classes without much effort.
If BLM is supposed to be a strong arm dps glass cannon with no meaningful utility, then, given all things are equal, blm should parse competitively with MNK and DRG.
Looking forward to the BLM love.
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04-28-2014 06:14 PM #101Player
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Summoner isn't getting a buff and BLM is fine as it is. As someone has explained before each class has it's own use in regards to utility and BLM specializes in aoe; while Second Coil may lack fights to make BLM useful then tough luck because it doesn't justify a buff to be on par with focused single target dps like MNK and DRG. Instead you can just call it a design flaw on SE's behalf for creating this situation from the start. However, if they do buff BLM they also must buff the other jobs as well to be more essential in different roles to keep the balance Yoshida so hopes to keep and to prevent the BLM burn from 1.0.
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An example would be giving BRD back it's Rain of Death enfeeble before the nerf. BRD is a support class with low dps, yet they take away one of the most essential enfeebles which was essential for our role as support.(0)Last edited by Caselia; 04-28-2014 at 06:48 PM. Reason: Clarity
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04-28-2014 06:36 PM #103Still looking for Melee Love. Yep, they're great for Raids, but... did you see Party Finder recently? since Extreme mode, almost every "hard battle" is only ranged because "is easier". Why care about position on Garuda EX when you can stack ranged? why healers should care about position on Ifrit EX when they can have a full ranged party, no need to move~~~. Honestly, a lot of PF doesn't care about dps and they only include melee because they want/need their LB. So many times rejected from Garuda/Ifrit/LEVIATHAN because "is easier with ranged only". BS
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04-28-2014 06:45 PM #104Player
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Blm is already a master on AoE. In an MMO, normally you don't need one class to be master more than one thing right? so single target weaker than Smn, Mnk, Drg is expected and should be. If Blm become on pair with Mnk on single target, then Mnk need to be on pair with Blm on AoE too. So far, Monk also complain a lot in their inability to join speed run, when will they get buff on AoE?
Only problem here is SE design fault. They give only one end-game content, and then it all require high single target dps.
It seem that the strong arm dps glass cannon is actually SMN, not Blm. BLM is already a strong arm dps AoE cannon.
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04-28-2014 06:49 PM #105Player
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PF is full of idiots. T2 enrage farm parties are a great example of how dumb people can be. Make your own party. MNKs are the highest dps in the on 4/4 fights in SCoB and 3/4 in the BCoB. Monks are the highest DPS in more than half the EX primals. Monk can also stun. DRG is not far behind in DPS in all those same categories. How much more love dose melee need? If you are not topping the meters as monk in 80% of your fights you are either poorly geared or poorly performing. Originally Posted by Merle
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04-28-2014 07:02 PM #106Player
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I would want to point out one thing. Bards can outdps even dragoons and monks. They can pull some really high numbers in the hands of a skilled player and well our t8 team shows this, one of our bards is just darn good at what he does and he can put melee dps to shame. we have another bard who is just a tp battery in the fight, still pulls high numbers but due to him and well the dragoon our other bard who focuses on foe requim outdpses them. it is also stunning how huge of a gap blm dps is to the rest even with foe requim up and battlevoiced twice during t8 fight. using pots and everything at my disposal to a near perfect rotation im still lagging behind by far. we do need something atleast for sustain dps on single targets.
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04-28-2014 07:11 PM #107Player
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That's because BLM has something that most other dps classes don't and that's a consistent downtime that they have to pay for their primary rotation.
Originally Posted by Shadowzanon
BLM primary rotation is a small burst with a small 6 second downtine . Yet BLMs expend their resources faster and can regenerate it quickly enough to keep a steady rotation. Their secondary big burst rotation that can only be used once every 5minutes has a bigger downtine than that.
No other DPS suffers from this that badly. The one that comes close is Dragoon's reliance on life-surge for that necessary buffed full thrust crit.
The only thing the rest of the dps suffer from is from a slow uptime, keeping dots in check, and the downtine of their buffs.(1)
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04-28-2014 07:13 PM #108i understand your point and i know melee jobs "have love". The issue, like you said, is PF is full of idiots (i tried to make my own parties... no luck). As someone who doesn't have static i have to rely on PF and... pfff DF. Yesterday i joined a T5 farm party and someone said, literally: "great, a melee. We're gonna wipe". My performance was flawless, so at least he had to shut up...
Originally Posted by Licus
If BLM becomes "OP" i bet a lot of parties will be mt, ot, 2 healers, brd, 3xblm and they'll exclude melee for being "useless dps". Like 1.0...... hell no
Monk. They have to keep his 3 stacks of greased lightning if they want to do a good performance. If they can't do a full rotation in 10 seconds, good bye. Ifrit, Garuda and Titan jumps for more than 10 seconds, Leviathan dashes last more than 10 seconds, Moogles keeps running so is hard to keep the rotation. Honeys/devour/bouquet/chain from rafflesia mess up your rotations. Yep, you can use "Perfect Balance" to recover those 3 stacks of greased lightning fast... once each 5 minutes...
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Monks losing their stacks is a small dps loss compared to how many times a blm has to move during mid cast to dodge, to lose their cast, spend time to try to cast again, probably having to move again and lose more time where there is 0 dps comming out of a blm. monks and dragoons can consistantly hit, they do not have to worry about losing dps when a mob dies and target something else fast. their attacks are instant. many times i am casting a spell only for a mob to die, end up losing my astral fire or ice and having to hardcast fire 3 or ice 3 only for that target to die and time is wasted casting nothing at all. My only solution is to stick on the boss to garantee a hit when going from fire to ice or ice to fire. titan is a nightmare for blm, so is levi. remember their "jump" phases also mean we lose our astral fire or umbral ice and if we do not have swift cast. thats more than 3 seconds to we gotta wait to actually do some damage, if we have to move its time wasted, no dps. monks and dragoons can still hit and work back their stacks there is a huge difference than losing 15% of your dps than losing 100% of your dps as in what happens alot to blm on movement fights. Originally Posted by Merle
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And you think BLM don't lose their Astral III buff in those situations either? Originally Posted by Merle
If you're gonna make analogies at least bother to not neglect variables simply because they are favorable to your argument.
I don't know why you assume I neglected MNK's GL because I didn't. So go back to the drawing board with your argument and please take variables from every job and role into consideration and you'll notice more things that are happening every where.(1)
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