Healer DPS :S

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So something I've slowly begun to grow accustom to, and actually generally be accepting of, are healers who stick on cleric stance and do a bit of dps. As I've learned with THMs and ARCs, when your party composition are made of mages, you need to employ flash a little bit more frequently, and do the rounds of individual aggro building.

Tonight I had a strange one, though. CNJ using Fluid Aura to knock mob monsters back that I wasn't directly attacking, which drew extra aggro on the CNJ, took the monster out of my immediate access, and meant that if I wanted aggro back I'd have to compensate.

When questioned, the CNJ said that the tactic was akin to Sleep, and helped take the heat off of the tank.

I responded, explaining that it didn't.

* It strips aggro I've established.
* Any interference by other DPS further strips aggro more quickly.
* I can't recover aggro quickly because it's now outside of my vicinity (particularly troublesome in cramped hallways with patrols).
* If CNJ or DPS take the aggro, because they're squishier, they have to stop what they're doing and focus on that, or I have to scramble to recover it.

The CNJ basically claimed that if he wanted to do it, let him. I pointed out it was a bad tactic even still. After that he became snarky, and then basically threatened that if we pressed the issue more he'd stop healing. At that point I left the instance.

Is this a thing? Because it shouldn't be a thing.

I understand that a confident CNJ can manage their damage, but the problem is that it mucks with the party composition in a big way, confuses the other party members, and undermines the tank in more ways than one.

It was particularly frustrating that after being told to stop by both a DPS and the tank (myself) he refused to.

I'll note though, that I didn't scramble to recover monsters all that much. To begin with I just flashed as the monster came back, or shield lobbed. Essentially running interference as the monster bounced around with uncertainty from aggro to aggro. After the explaination I let him have it and watched what happened, and the proof of what I said was in the pudding.

[Suki-]

While I love healers who dps when heals aren't needed, fluid aura has its place and that definitely wasn't it.

In a party (imo) it should only be used to knock a mob back to the tank. It's frustrating, especially as a melee dps, when the mob I'm attacking suddenly vanishes ._.

Maybe that particular CNJ will take a hint once more players say pretty much the same thing to them ^^

[sheepysheepy]

if he was level-synced he may be a veteran player that was doing a dutyroulette and wanted to make it a little less boring, i'm guilty of it once or twice, otherwise he was just selfish or isn't able to see the game from the tanks POV
fluid aura can atleast be used to finish mobs, avoiding the annoying knockback and still giving free dps on mobs hovering at 10%~ but beside that you are correct in your annoyance, maybe took it a bit far by leaving the instance though, it wasn't the end of the world was it?

[Shmunkster]

It's frustrating, especially as a melee dps, when the mob I'm attacking suddenly vanishes ._.

Agree. I main WHM and mostly DPS (when instance allows) in dungies. But I never use Fluid. Never. Not even if there is an opp for it. I just dont think its appropriate. I think of it as a spell for WHMs when they are in danger; alone. Push it back, its bound, cure/regen, recommmence attack....but hey, thats just me.

But in ref above - I am levelling MNK at the mo. I was in a dungie the other day with a WHM who Fluid like it was the latest craze. It was highly irritating. He even ran up to me and the tank (the other was a BLM) and blasted it away from us. WTF??!! He gets aggro, me n tank go to beast, only for it to walk away back to the WHM. He did it loads. I wanted to MNK punch the WHM more than the enemy! lol

There is a time and a place. And randomly, just for DPSness?....No.

[Mrbojangals]

My main is WHM and second is PLD. While running PLD the WHM healing the group started using fluid plus sleep on a target. Once i figured out that was what he was doing it was pretty smooth. I have dont use this combo as a WHM but for our group it worked perfectly. Try to be open to new ways other than the "correct" way.

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maybe took it a bit far by leaving the instance though, it wasn't the end of the world was it?

Golden Rule: Don't play with sour people. Like I said, he threatened to stop healing. That and started getting snarky about it after being told to stop. It was only when he gloated about being able to stop healing that I chose to leave.

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My main is WHM and second is PLD. While running PLD the WHM healing the group started using fluid plus sleep on a target. Once i figured out that was what he was doing it was pretty smooth. I have dont use this combo as a WHM but for our group it worked perfectly. Try to be open to new ways other than the "correct" way.

Circumstantial correctness had nothing to do with it. It was shown on more than one occasion that the tactic wasn't working. His only justification was "I can take it." But he wasn't recognising the fact that he was negatively impacting on both the DPS and the Tank, even if only marginally. All in all, the gains he felt were made from it were outweighed by the drawbacks on the party, and more, to then refuse to stop despite 2/4 people telling him to

[Yumi_umi]

If you can tank mobs in dungeons as a whm then you don't really need to give a damn about taking aggro and using fluid aura.
As long as the dps is still hitting the mob there's nothing to fuss about.
If the tank gets all pissed and stuff then tell them to take a break and sit back and let a whm do your job because you're too busy fussing over with being useless.
Lol someday tanks will be like damnnnnn son that whm ain't that bad.

[Spoekes]

What i do not get of your story is if he actually sleeped the target he knocked back?

If he actually did sleep them, remember:
- Sleeped targets do not build aggro. If you were on top of the list before sleep, you will still be when it wakes up.
- Dots that have been applied in advance will keep damaging the sleeped target and will not wake it up.

From what I understand it sounds like you overreacted a bit, could have finished the dungeon without major problems or could you not?

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What i do not get of your story is if he actually sleeped the target he knocked back?

From what I understand it sounds like you overreacted a bit, could have finished the dungeon without major problems or could you not?

No sleep, just fluid aura.

As for overreacting, like I said, golden rule, and he was going against the opinion of the party and threatened to stop healing altogether.