End the Debate? Hardcore and Regular Servers

[Shirai]

Ah yes, "Rock, Paper, Scissors" the most hardcore game ever invented...

While I found it quite amusing when I just started playing, it is indeed quite a stupid comparison.
Apart from the fact that both games carry the same name, are from the same company and have several similarities we're talking about two completely different games with completely different mechanics.

Now to shit on this comparison a little, for fun.
If we really were to boil down BLM usefulness in endgame between both games (bar in mind I have quit FFXI over 6 months ago so things may have changed):
FFXI: Stun! Oh no, who am I kidding? We have Scholars for that! Do you have another job?
FFXIV: You have one job soldier: Blow that shit to hell!

[DSX]

Ah yes, "Rock, Paper, Scissors" the most hardcore game ever invented...

XI's BLM could boiled down in a similiarly biased way to...

"A wild PUGIL appears!"

"BLM casts LIGHTNING!...It was super effective!"

"wild Pugil faints."

While I found it quite amusing when I just started playing, it is indeed quite a stupid comparison.
Apart from the fact that both games carry the same name, are from the same company and have several similarities we're talking about two completely different games with completely different mechanics.

Now to shit on this comparison a little, for fun.
If we really were to boil down BLM usefulness in endgame between both games (bar in mind I have quit FFXI over 6 months ago so things may have changed):
FFXI: Stun! Oh no, who am I kidding? We have Scholars for that! Do you have another job?
FFXIV: You have one job soldier: Blow that shit to hell!

My point was not about specific games but how deep the rabbit hole can go in terms of gameplay mechanics compared to FFXIV. So that picture could have any other game on the left side with the same complexity as FFXI gameplay mechanics and my statement would be the same. If you don't have the necessary gameplay mechanics needed for a deep and high level challenge then you simply mathematically cannot do it and you are simply locked to shuffling simpleton fights.

let me repost what i said before yet again:

An easy skillset does not means you cannot play hardcore. See GW's PvP as a working example of the past.

Having a gameplay complexity that respects my intelligence is the cornerstone IMHO. without it you are forever locked in simpleton gameplay mechanics however you like to shuffle it, because it is mathematically impossible to have any high level challenges

Then, even if the idea to divide players in "pro" and "carebears" goes live, I am pretty sure a good number of "pro" goes to play in "carebear" server for the lolz to slap newbz.

Then, a number of regular will go to hardcore because their ego doesn't want them feel "inferior" to anyone.

Result: nothing changes.

This is understandable since it is typical human behavior so yes we will see it but I don't think it will be on a large scale.

But again even if they do separate servers those new servers are not "hardcore" because as I have stated:

http://i5.minus.com/ih4nqfmZTYDbY.jpg

as long as this picture is true this game is incapable of hardcore servers or content.

[starswept]

I always love how people view the player demographics as "hardcore" and "casual". As if people can be summed up into two far reaching agendas. What about us Middlecore? The people who like to strive for those hardcore parts at their own pace. We don't enjoy waits but we enjoy the challenges of hitting those prestigious positions. We see those hard to reach objectives as something to strive for, we just don't sacrifice fun to reach it.

Point is, you can't separate two entities that don't exist. This is just a delusional division created by the far left and right sides.

So much this.

[Sapphic]

Personally I love a healthy mixture of short, medium and long term goals in an MMO, plus fun side activities.

Only an hour or two to play? maybe do a little towards the long term goal, or a couple of short time things. All day to play? Some serious progression on long or medium goals. Not in the mood for serious play, just relaxing. Do some of the fun side activities.

More options of activities and types of goals, the happier I am

[NyneAlexander]

People like the OP literally have no concept of the actual breakdown of paying hardcore gamers vs paying casual gamers, the overlapping grey area between the two, and the resources required to maintain such a suggested structure.

Until you hardcore players are willing to pay 3x the subscription costs to justify a "hardcore" server for a fleeting hardcore player base, then give it up. This kind of relentless bitching is just as bad as any player complaining that the Titan EX gate to endgame is unfair.

[Issac]

This kind of relentless bitching is just as bad as any player complaining that the Titan EX gate to endgame is unfair.

I have to disagree with this. Difficulty based on latency is a bit unfair.

*holds up flame-retardant shield*

[Luxx]

Luxx, honestly I preferred what you had typed before to this gif.

"...ok...what the actual fook? O_o"
was that it? xD i just thought a gif was more suitable coz im actually
like that with this topic LOL

[Issac]

Luxx, honestly I preferred what you had typed before to this gif.

[Jon_00]

If the servers were separated I wouldn't know what to do.

I'm a pretty decent player, right on top of the good old 'bell-shaped curve' graph.

I like clearing content, I don't like jerks.

I don't excel to be the best, yet I admit I get frustrated when other people hold back my progress.

[alhandra]

or you know people could just play the game and stop worrying about what others do or have