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    When was the last time u tried t5? Echo made it so different.
    I tried before 2.2 and it made me go full on healer mode. But now with echo i am able to help kill the big snake / conflags and dreads. * the accuracy on the new i100 body helps a lot.
    Stop treating like t5 is still the hardest thing out there, i know it's only common sense to keep cautious and the same routine but when yoshi decides to keep buffing echo in coil then of course unconventional methods will become viable.
    If i have to wait for content to become echo friendly then i'll gladly wait because atm i have no place in anything else sadly.
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    That it's t5 doesn't matter... I was just trying to use an example, though your posts about playing it with tank gear kind of suggest you weren't "going full on heal mode."...

    The point I am trying to make is that it impacts those around you... a lot...

    Maybe you would be happier playing a warrior? They get self heals and as a result can tank/solo a number of things even if the healer is down, and really can be OK off-DPS too...
    And you wouldn't get heat for it and, if you play well, you shouldn't have trouble finding an endgame FC...

    (If you don't care about endgame, there are plenty of social FCs that really don't care about your playstyle...)
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    Last edited by Risvertasashi; 04-26-2014 at 03:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post

    (If you don't care about endgame, there are plenty of social FCs that really don't care about your playstyle...)
    Maybe it's because most casual fcs/ls feels dead and players play mostly solo while she's looking for more of a "group" fc but those don't want her in because she "plays the way she wants to play" rather than the benefit of the group. I think this sums it up prettym uch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo View Post
    Maybe it's because most casual fcs/ls feels dead and players play mostly solo while she's looking for more of a "group" fc but those don't want her in because she "plays the way she wants to play" rather than the benefit of the group. I think this sums it up prettym uch.
    Just trying to help her understand, but I think I've done all I can...
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    Having run with Yumi before (granted it was only once) and being the "other healer" in the 8 man, I felt compelled to add my two cents.


    In re: straining the "other" healer-

    Many have commented that you strain the other healer being spec'd in the +vit way. I would have to agree, having been that other healer. I remember when you filled in on our fc's raid day when we were missing our normal 2nd healer. The whole time I'm in our voice program, getting increasingly frustrated. "Guys, I feel like I'm solo healing this! Where's my help! Omg, wtf is going on!" The bard was going on about, "Veni, I'm having to mana song way more than usual, why are you using so much more mana than usual? Stop it!" Etc etc. Then someone noticed what the problem was: you were wearing fending gear. Mystery solved.

    In rebuttal, you claim that "I'm fine up to T4 and Levi X." Did you ever consider that perhaps you're being carried by some really stellar people up to that point. Having experienced what I did with you, I can only assume that's what's happening. It's not a "toot my own horn" moment for you, Yumi. What you really should be saying is, "I lucked out by finding people that were strong enough to carry me all this way" because I sincerely feel it wasn't your stellar healing stats that were doing the trick.

    In re: "I'm the last whm standing lolololol" type comments-
    I'm sincerely surprised that no one has picked up on this (and maybe they did and I missed it, which is entirely possible) but....

    Maybe if you were actually pulling your healing weight/living up to the classes potential with all the correct stat-ing you could have SAVED those people with your heals. To me, when you say "I was the last one standing" or "I was the last healer standing" it says to me you weren't doing your job properly. Yes, people can still die and there's nothing us healers could do about it (i.e. ohhh is this a plume or a chocolate puddle let me bathe in it and see..." type of crap does happen), but that aside, maybe if you were actually HEALING instead of SURVIVING on your HP POOL, you wouldn't have been standing alone.

    What I'm saying is, maybe your lack of healing CREATED those "I was the last one standing" moments, which as a WHM you should NOT be proud of. Moments like that to be proud of is when stuff hits the fan and your TANK is the last one standing b/c you did your job to the fullest despite the terrible circumstances that came to pass. I would be embarrassed if my tank died before me. Just sayin....

    Conclusion-
    Am I sorry you feel the way you do about not "fitting in" or "finding friends to run with?" Yes I am. Sincerely. I know it's an awful feeling.

    Do I think it's because the way you choose to play your class? Very possibly. At least for our fc, that was paramount to our decision not to invite you. You seem personable, but there was simply no freaking way our raid group was going to go through that healing hell every single raid day. Nope. You did say you have a fully healing set, but you chose not to wear it. You CHOSE to make us struggle. Not a great way to make a first impression, I'm afraid :/

    Do I hope you find happiness? I sure do. I hope you can find a perfect for you group that can/is willing to deal with what you can bring to the table, but honestly, I think you're going to need a massive amount of luck in finding that group, all things considered.

    You know, you WOULD still have a choice as to what healing gear you went with if you got rid of that fending. You could go crit strong or determination/ss strong. It's not as if changing your stats to all healing leaves you without a choice / niche, if that's what you're worried about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vynym View Post
    I'm sincerely surprised that no one has picked up on this (and maybe they did and I missed it, which is entirely possible) but....
    People argued with her over this in the tanky healer thread, of course the lolololol comments were the only responses they received.

    Frankly, I thought she was a troll, but reading the responses from her old FC member and people who ran with her.. wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AiChyan View Post
    People argued with her over this in the tanky healer thread, of course the lolololol comments were the only responses they received.

    Frankly, I thought she was a troll, but reading the responses from her old FC member and people who ran with her.. wow.
    I just took a few minutes and looked over that thread. I saw what your were talking about. Considering there was already a not well received thread about tanky healing and now this thread about socialization woes as a result of said tanky healing, I am now wondering if this, like the tanky healing post, is ... well it seems like both, really, are attempts at gaining validation or momentum for a gearing choice that isn't viable. It's like two different ways of attacking the same issue. At least it feels that way to me :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    When was the last time u tried t5? Echo made it so different.
    I tried before 2.2 and it made me go full on healer mode. But now with echo i am able to help kill the big snake / conflags and dreads. * the accuracy on the new i100 body helps a lot.
    Stop treating like t5 is still the hardest thing out there, i know it's only common sense to keep cautious and the same routine but when yoshi decides to keep buffing echo in coil then of course unconventional methods will become viable.
    If i have to wait for content to become echo friendly then i'll gladly wait because atm i have no place in anything else sadly.
    lol, you obviously haven't done a lot of T5 (you're Lodestone says you still have yet to clear it...so much for it being so easy). I've been farming T5 all week, probably hava 25+ kills now this week alone; tank, heal and DPS. Doesn't matter how much HP you have; you can and will wipe parties if you can't do Twisters. You also will wipe parties if you can't heal the MT through Death Sentence, the OT through Hatches, or take a Divebomb into the wall (or, even better, throw everyone else with a Divebomb into the wall).

    You don't have a place with anyone because you choose to play this as an SP game, where you focus on yourself first and foremost, expecting everyone to be even worse than yourself and play the "hero" of the party. You will never get into a group of people doing modern (or even the most recently "nerfed" content) the way you play. You are a liability to serious players, not an asset. You need to change if you want to do things with others on a regular basis.
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    Last edited by PArcher; 04-26-2014 at 03:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    lol, you obviously haven't done a lot of T5 (you're Lodestone says you still have yet to clear it...so much for it being so easy). I've been farming T5 all week, probably hava 25+ kills now this week alone; tank, heal and DPS. Doesn't matter how much HP you have; you can and will wipe parties if you can't do Twisters. You also will wipe parties if you can't heal the MT through Death Sentence, the OT through Hatches, or take a Divebomb into the wall (or, even better, throw everyone else with a Divebomb into the wall).

    You don't have a place with anyone because you choose to play this as an SP game, where you focus on yourself first and foremost, expecting everyone to be even worse than yourself and play the "hero" of the party. You will never get into a group of people doing modern (or even the most recently "nerfed" content) the way you play. You are a liability to serious players, not an asset. You need to change if you want to do things with others on a regular basis.
    Oh man, this thread keep delivering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruranto View Post
    Oh man, this thread keep delivering.
    Let's share ze popcorn

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