I went beyond the thinking of having max dps for the jobs I chose. I wanted to imprive the timing of my skills, to do a decent amount of my skills during each fight. But timed well enough to not steal hate from the tank. Which isn't want people started to do. They did their skills to the point of stealing hate from the tank. I personaly thought it was cocky to do so. As well as pointless, because in the end, they cried or got upset that they died. I knew people who left a group after one death, and say the group is bad. I think ppl in ffxi relied to heavy on getting power leved and only grouping for the sake of leveling. It was like they feared death too much to see it as just bad and not use it to learn. If you only win, you never learn your true limits.