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    Honestly also " it's the entire game being made easier and easier ensuring no sense of achievement or accomplishment is felt." is a flat out lie.
    Sence of achievemt and accomplishment is subjective to the individual player, same as enjoyment AND difficaulty. You can not generalise these terms. If you feel this game is not challening you, move on. Do not sit there and make claims like the above.

    You do not need something to be "hard" or "take a long time" to feel like you did something worthy.

    I got a sence of achievement and accomplishment just by helping others. It made me feel good That I was able to help another player. Even if it was something basic like showing them a shop because they was lost.

    Lets use Zelda as an example. Nothing in these games to me is remotely hard. But i did feel good when I beat the bosses. And bosses in these games are pretty simple and follow a similar formular. Get three massive blows on the boss you win, only thing they did was use theatrics to make it not that simple.
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    Final Fantasy XI took it to the extreme and made things very hard to achieve

    nothing in ffxi was hard to get. Just took long to get. But with time you will eventually get it.

    leveling from 1-14 is still "work" so yes you are still earning raise.
    Not everyone levels in ffxiv the same way. And even still who parties @ 14? I have never seen any party only shouts from 1 person every 4 days on a raptor party @ 48. It is a raise spell meaning you will target someone.
    1-10 in ffxi = 1-20 in ffxiv.
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    Honestly, 25 for raise in FFXI pissed me off so much. It would have been so nice to have that spell in the dunes when you actually needed it. It didnt matter after lvl sync tho, because the odds of your party having a raise were pretty good then.
    Still, i dont understand why unlocking it relatively early is a bad thing. It's not like its a beneficial spell to partying. It only eases the death penalty a bit. If they were giving us tier 3 nukes at 14, id understand, but they're giving us a simple raise. Is it really that big of a deal?
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    How can you feel a sense of achievement without a challenge? Also when I reach a rank to unlock something 'cool' like raise or a level II/III spell within an hour of playing I definitely don't feel like I've earned it and it doesn't feel 'special'.

    My post was a generalisation and not about a particular spell or ability.

    If people read my post properly they'd see I said FFXI was TOO much and that XIV was the opposite. I'm far from a basement no lifer but if you aren't willing to grind and strife to achieve something in an RPG maybe you're playing the wrong sort of game.
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    Did i miss a note where a Raise spell is an achievement now ? there is nothing special about raise and there is no need to feel like you are achieving something because the spell doesnt even matter unless you play with a group that suck so bad, they dies so many times.
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    and kilta please don't respond to my posts in future and i'll pay you the same respect. I don't have time for trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    and kilta please don't respond to my posts in future and i'll pay you the same respect. I don't have time for trolls.
    Translation: QQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    and kilta please don't respond to my posts in future and i'll pay you the same respect. I don't have time for trolls.
    Be nice to Kilta!
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    Can't believe people care so much about something so stupid.

    How about this, if you don't think people should be raised at rank 14, don't raise them. That's right, you let them run back from the aetherite for the sake of 'building character' and we'll see how much people like you.

    Inconvenience does not equal challenge, I can't believe how often that has to be said.
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