No Rewards for "Bonus SP"? Anyone feeling ripped off?

[Kiroh]

So it isn't a theory, it's more like a theory. What?

Seriously, read a dictionary.

Maybe I worded that badly. You didn't post a theory because you never explained why you thought what you did. Unproven and completely void of explanation are two very different things.

A theory would be something like : "I think Surplus points never existed in the first place because xxxx"

Just as your own definition said "For the sake of argument or investigation". I see neither in your post.

[Rinsui]

so essentially saying people who trust SE are delusional

What you did was not "trust", but maintaining your own interpretation of the situation.
Your "trust" was built on false assumptions; and since SE never confirmed these false
assumptions, they also didn't betray your trust, just rectify your assumptions. Don't
blame them for not being the way you imagined them to be.

and they mentioned more than once that there would be some use for them in the future

Again, no. They considered the possibility, but they never stated this as a fact.

Basically your only remaining argument is that they used wording that was prone to be
misunderstood by some readers, who chose to ignore the rest of the evidence that clearly
pointed into another direction (explicit statement that fatigue served to discourage
excessive grinding).

And actually, they gave you a "bonus" already. You had the unique and strictly limited
privilege to experience a yellow, or even a red EXP bar.

Now if that isn't something special!

[Azurymber]

What you did was not "trust", but maintaining your own interpretation of the situation.
Your "trust" was built on false assumptions; and since SE never confirmed these false
assumptions, they also didn't betray your trust, just rectify your assumptions. Don't
blame them for not being the way you imagined them to be.


Again, no. They considered the possibility, but they never stated this as a fact.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bonus

explain to me how "bonus" applied to these points if they were not to be used for something?

lets go definition by definition.

1."something given or paid over and above what is due."
were we given or paid anything over what was due? no

2. "a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay..."
did we get anything? no.

3. "something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities."
did we get something free? no.

Bonus points were essentially the exact opposite of a bonus. Anytime you saw "you have earned x bonus points" you really lost x SP and gained nothing.

How is that not lying?

Regardless of whether or not certain rewards are given, bonus, as shown clearly by the definition, suggests a benefit or something extra being received.

Further: If they did not intend any reward why not leave them as surplus. Why change what they are called to bonus? The fact they changed what they were called suggests that they implied there was a benefit to them.

[Rinsui]

Bonus points were essentially the exact opposite of a bonus. Anytime you saw "you have earned x bonus points" you really lost x SP and gained nothing.

How is that not lying?

Regardless of whether or not certain rewards are given, bonus, as shown clearly by the definition, suggests a benefit or something extra being received.

Well, as I said, you did get your extra special yellow EXP indicator. And who knows? Perhaps it was just a typo, and they actually meant bogus EXP in the first place, hahahahahaha!!!!

@Kiroh
Actually, now. He/she can well have a theory without telling you the exact backgrounds of why he/she has it. It would be polite or informative to do so, but is not really required. You could also say: "In the middle ages, there was a theory that the world was slapped together within 7 days by some supernatural being". Why someone would believe such things does not necessarily have to be mentioned...

[Kiroh]

Well, as I said, you did get your extra special yellow EXP indicator. And who knows? Perhaps it was just a typo, and they actually meant bogus EXP in the first place, hahahahahaha!!!!

*rubs forehead*

Oh honey....you tire me...

[Eekiki]

Okay.

We never saw how many surplus points we got, we were just told "You got surplus points!"

We were never able to check and see how many surplus points we had accumulated.

We never saw anything in game that said, "Hey, spend your surplus points here!"

Now, we're told our surplus points will be removed without a trace. I say there was never a trace of them in the first place, so how do we know they ever existed in the first place?

On the other hand, how can we be sure they didn't exist?

Now, go through that and replace the words "surplus points" with "God".

DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND???

[Azurymber]

Okay.

We never saw how many surplus points we got, we were just told "You got surplus points!"

We were never able to check and see how many surplus points we had accumulated.

We never saw anything in game that said, "Hey, spend your surplus points here!"

Now, we're told our surplus points will be removed without a trace. I say there was never a trace of them in the first place, so how do we know they ever existed in the first place?

On the other hand, how can we be sure they didn't exist?

Now, go through that and replace the words "surplus points" with "God".

DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND???

yes you did <3

[Kiroh]

Okay.

We never saw how many surplus points we got, we were just told "You got surplus points!"

We were never able to check and see how many surplus points we had accumulated.

We never saw anything in game that said, "Hey, spend your surplus points here!"

Now, we're told our surplus points will be removed without a trace. I say there was never a trace of them in the first place, so how do we know they ever existed in the first place?

On the other hand, how can we be sure they didn't exist?

Now, go through that and replace the words "surplus points" with "God".

DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND???

Actually before they changed the wording, back when SP was action based, we did in fact get to see the amount of "bonus" SP we obtained per fight.

Also, we never got to check them or spend them because it was always meant as a fatigue system. It wasn't meant to reward you, it was meant to punish players who spent more than a certain amount of time ranking any one class. (In other words, another poorly conceived system meant to combat RMT rather than make the game enjoyable.)

And, we can be pretty darn sure they existed, especially anyone playing long enough to remember 90% surplus. *shudder*

So...no...

[Eekiki]

Actually before they changed the wording, back when SP was action based, we did in fact get to see the amount of "bonus" SP we obtained per fight.

Also, we never got to check them or spend them because it was always meant as a fatigue system. It wasn't meant to reward you, it was meant to punish players who spent more than a certain amount of time ranking any one class.

And, we can be pretty damn sure they existed, especially anyone playing long enough to remember 90% surplus. *shudder*

So...no...

Oh, when will the persecution of us asurpluspointists end? T_T

[Kiroh]

Oh, when will the persecution of us asurpluspointists end? T_T

Believing something doesn't exist is a belief in itself! You say you don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster, so you BELIEVE in something! Science is a belief too!

=3