(DEV) Raise, are you sure?

[SydeBeheln]

I am a little concerned about the 5 min. recast rate of raise, and raise 2, and I guess what would be raise 3(Rebirth).

If a single party, let's say 4 player, are completely wiped with the exception of the CON it would take 15 min. to raise all 3 of them 0.o.

Of course having both raise, and raise 2 at your disposal cuts that time down to 5 minutes, but CON can only do that after level 38. I'm sure party oriented content before level 38 will be quite common(especially with raids), and we haven't even considered the amount of time with full 8 man parties.

I don't know, just to me it sound's a little worrying.

[Saiph]

so how do you raise at the moment before lvl 38 at all?

[SydeBeheln]

so how do you raise at the moment before lvl 38 at all?

The new post on the lodestone. They released information on the spells such as raise, raise2, rebirth etc.

[Saiph]

sry maybe it wasnt obvious but i mean it this was:

you cant raise at all before lvl 38 at the moment

in 1.18 you will be able to raise at lvl 14!!!
and at lvl 38 you will have a sceond raise

yes 5 minutes may be a bit harsh bu it think its ok for the fact you can raise already at so early lvls
and since anyone can equip (i think anyone can or maybe not?) raise so when many people die you
should be able to raise them all fast enough.

[Rinsui]

And, quite possibly, Raise can be AOE'd.
Can't it?
If so, the timer is a counter-measure to suicide zergs.

[SydeBeheln]

Okay, so maybe you didn't get the point of the post, "it's obviously speaking about post 1.18..."

Yes that's the other side of the discussion. I can see multiple members in the groups being required to have raise, or resurrect in their action bars because of situations like I mentioned. However, what if the situation I mentioned arose?
That still leaves 15 min. just to raise 3 other people.

[SydeBeheln]

And, quite possibly, Raise can be AOE'd.
Can't it?
If so, the timer is a counter-measure to suicide zergs.

That's a good assumption. I thought I read spells removing the toggles between AoE, and singular though. I guess with unknown it's very possible raise could be transformed into an AoE, we will have to see.

[zaviermhigo]

I think what you're see is the beginning of trying to make classes useful. This change makes conjurer useful where it wasn't as useful before under the bland cross class between thm and conj all the way until 50. It may not sound useful until we use the dungeons and test them out. BUT now retards won't just assume "omg lemme return" when they have mages like "CASTING RAISE" and they just didn't pay attention. Now i will B+TCH if someone does that cause there's an mp cost , i'll be like "Hey nice broken gear ass! ^^"

[Xandre]

Okay, so maybe you didn't get the point of the post, "it's obviously speaking about post 1.18..."

Yes that's the other side of the discussion. I can see multiple members in the groups being required to have raise, or resurrect in their action bars because of situations like I mentioned. However, what if the situation I mentioned arose?
That still leaves 15 min. just to raise 3 other people.

In the case you're describing and since the spell is easily accessed now, it's more than likely all the players within your party will have it. You suggested that an entire party would be K.O., except for one member. If that were to happen, that one player would raise another member, who would then be able to use their raise spell while the previous person's spell is now cooling down. The chain would just continue until all member were back up once more.

[SydeBeheln]

I think what you're see is the beginning of trying to make classes useful. This change makes conjurer useful where it wasn't as useful before under the bland cross class between thm and conj all the way until 50. It may not sound useful until we use the dungeons and test them out. BUT now retards won't just assume "omg lemme return" when they have mages like "CASTING RAISE" and they just didn't pay attention. Now i will B+TCH if someone does that cause there's an mp cost , i'll be like "Hey nice broken gear ass! ^^"

For sure, you can clearly see the definite roll healers like CON will have. Which is the most important thing to be honest.
I'm still curious with this change though, if CON will continue to use elemental spells. If so, what party spec job will they use, WHM, or BLM? It points towards WHM because of the definitive healing based spells, but the elemental spells are signature to BLM. Sooooo yea. =/ hah