Now, once you have done all that, go farm level 10-49 fates for 100+ hours without all your skills that make your class over and over again to get the next step....don't you feel like you achieved something.....really!?!? You cannot compare the tasks you had to complete for Ilvl 80 and 90 to the grind fest you have to endure for Atma, there is no comparison...and if you do then you are either complete liar or really naive!! Also,to the person who stated that Atma is for casuals...are you kidding me? Who in the hell who has kids, a spouse and a full time job maybe playing 3 hours a day have the time to farm 100+ hours but a very select few..Bottom line, state whatever you wish, What I am stating is true....if you don't believe me or if your blind and can't read:http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Upgrade-Quest

129 pages of most people saying the same as I am..but of course, in your mind I am the only one saying this since you want to troll..