A way to keep both casual and hardcore players happy

[Starlord]

Entitled much?

How can I be "entitled" if I don't have these sets of gear yet from coil/EX ( I have beaten EX but no loot). Also, it's not being entitled it's being fair. If you beat a hard dungeon/raid you naturally get the better loot. If any person could get there hands on the loot, then there wouldn't be much point in running Coil/EX.

[alhandra]

imagine this scenario.

2 people work at the same job
Paul works 40 hours a week + overtime
John works 10 hours a week and regularly calls in sick
Paul gets a raise and promotion
John gets laid off

was Paul "entitled" to that raise? yes
was John treated unfairly? no

now apply this logic to FFXIV....

i see alot of johns in this thread

[Synapse]

Hardcore don't want GRIND, they want challenge. GRIND is mind numbing for all player base if there is no challenge involved, prime example FATE, a grind with no challenge.

You can't keep Casual and Hardcore happy because casual wont like Hardcore getting good gear because they want the same thing, without doing what hardcores are doing.

If you make two path where both obtain the same gear, where one path is easy and one is hard, people will just take the easy path, its human nature.

No matter how hardcore you are, if you boss gives you an option. Work 1 day and take this pile of money, or Work 5 days for the SAME pile of money.

Its clear what they will choose.

Reward should be equivalent to the difficulty(difficulty does not mean long or grind)

[alhandra]

^^^

basically this.

one funny thing ive noticed is you dont see "hardcore" players crying about casual content being added to the game. yet anytime SE adds something in for them the casuals bring out the torches and pitchforks and start screaming "unfair"

i mean really tho, there is SOOOO much casual content in this game.

main story = casual
dungeons = casual
side quests = casual
daily quests = casual
glamours = casual
hildebrand = casual
FATES = casual
NM & HM primals = casual
coil 1 = casual
crystal tower = casual
open world = casual

im sure im forgetting something

hardcore players get ummm lemme see
oh ya coil2 and 5 extreme mode fights and an atma grind

90% of this game is casual, get over yourselves

[Lord_Zlatan]

no


/10char

if the point of this post is to be annoying then you have succeeded. why not offer a suggestion or 2 or do you just want to boost your post count?

[Lord_Zlatan]

^^^

basically this.

one funny thing ive noticed is you dont see "hardcore" players crying about casual content being added to the game. yet anytime SE adds something in for them the casuals bring out the torches and pitchforks and start screaming "unfair"

i mean really tho, there is SOOOO much casual content in this game.

main story = casual
dungeons = casual
side quests = casual
daily quests = casual
glamours = casual
hildebrand = casual
FATES = casual
NM & HM primals = casual
coil 1 = casual
crystal tower = casual
open world = casual

im sure im forgetting something

hardcore players get ummm lemme see
oh ya coil2 and 5 extreme mode fights and an atma grind

90% of this game is casual, get over yourselves

to be fair, in the infancy of 2.0, the forums were flooded with "hardcores" bringing out the torches against how casual the game is.

[alhandra]

to be fair, in the infancy of 2.0, the forums were flooded with "hardcores" bringing out the torches against how casual the game is.

most of them have long since moved on or realized they were fighting a battle they couldn't win and stopped trying

this game is casual, it has been and always will be. people need to stop having panic attacks every time SE adds in something that requires a moderate time investment, its not foreshadowing some evil hardcore takeover.

[FritoBandito]

For the longevity of this game and all of the other MMO out there grind is necessary, there can't be an or/or because if you give people the option not to grind they will not grind and you will see many more topics popping up about how bored people are and how easy it is to get everything.

That wouldn't be the fault of the developers. If players have a more challenging option and they don't choose it, then they shouldn't complain about lack of challenge.


Now, I'll just throw this thought out there:

What if there was an easy way, and a challenging way to accomplish something; the gear rewards from both had the EXACT SAME STATS, but the rewards from the easy way looked far inferior, like sack cloth or something? The hardcore could take pride in having the cooler-looking gear, but the casuals could still have gear that's strong enough to do whatever, and not look as interesting.

Sorry if someone already posted this. I haven't read every page.

[Lord_Zlatan]

most of them have long since moved on or realized they were fighting a battle they couldn't win and stopped trying

this game is casual, it has been and always will be. people need to stop having panic attacks every time SE adds in something that requires a moderate time investment, its not foreshadowing some evil hardcore takeover.

100% agreed.

[Bruiser_Cruiser]

this debate is dumb IMO. Casual players arent going to make it to end game content before new stuff comes out. Thats why these buffs to pre existing content is in place. I play about 3-4 hours every night after work yet i still consider myself casual. I know I will eventually get to turn 6-9 and Levi extreme but im not trying to complain that it takes to long to farm the Ilvl. I have been having a blast since i started playing again after an 8 month break.

To hardcore players that complain about the echo buffs and etc... think of it like "How many players will you have clearing current end game content, without the echo buffs to help players coming back or getting back into the groove to catch up?" If an mmo is to survive it cant have that " 0o i havent played this in 3 months im gonna be so far behind the current content that i will never be able to catch back up" feeling.
Anyway, just my 2 cents :P