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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    how do they not match? people in game have been moaning about it, people on forums have been moaning now SE is doing something about it.

    if the majority likes it (because its a 50/50 thing here) why change it? why would SE postpone the next part and get feedback on everything on something players like?
    nothing else in game that players like are changing so why this one?

    in the end it's because the minority are the players who like it, majority is the player who dislike it.
    I have seen barely anyone moaning about it ingame and I play quite often. What's to say your sightings are any less of an accurate representation than mine?

    Proclaiming the majority of players do not like it is an outright lie. You have no real proof to back that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaels View Post
    I have seen barely anyone moaning about it ingame and I play quite often. What's to say your sightings are any less of an accurate representation than mine?

    Proclaiming the majority of players do not like it is an outright lie. You have no real proof to back that up.
    i have given multiple statements about my proof then even said how SE is changing the quest based on the where i got my proof, if you want to pretend that SE is changing the quest for a minority group that's a joke we both know the majority dislikes the quest you can so other wise but it wouldn't be changed otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    i have given multiple statements about my proof then even said how SE is changing the quest based on the where i got my proof, if you want to pretend that SE is changing the quest for a minority group that's a joke we both know the majority dislikes the quest you can so other wise but it wouldn't be changed otherwise.
    Pretend? Nope you're the one delusional and pretending. You're just another one of those guys who like to think everyone's on their side to feel better about themselves when it's far from the truth.

    SE changing it: didn't happen yet. No news about supposed changes. Not valid proof.
    People on forums whining: People are more likely to post negative feedback than positive feedback. This applies to everything, even in the real world.
    People ingame whining: Anecdotal evidence. And see above.

    You're still wrong no matter how you want to put it. You have no proof that the majority of the playerbase does not like it.

    It's pretty obvious when an argument is weak when someone has to resort to speaking for others, to back up their points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaels View Post
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    i have given all the proof and you want to invalidate it because you think otherwise?

    you can say its a weak argument but it's not SE is changing it, starting with the nov part they saw the outrage over it and now it's getting adjusted hmmm?
    then you have all the forums people yea people speak up when they are upset it happens but with 160 pages? you really wanna say that's nothing? when both the jp and na forums have threads just as long as each others? are you saying that's just a coincidence? then you have in game, when it comes to small complaints on the forums you never hear it in game yet people have complained and more in game over it.

    you can say you never saw it but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the end you use some small excuse to say i am wrong. please continue how come t6-9 isn't being even considered right now? i would say its because noone is complaining because people are happy with it, why are other things that players like not being considered here? why would this one specific thing change? simple it's because the majority hates it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
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    I still see no proof.

    160 pages of whining is not an accurate representation of the community, or acceptable proof that the majority does not like it. If everyone that liked the Animus questline posted about it, there may be a topic just as big and we will never know. You still fail to get the point that people that like or don't care about the quest WILL NOT SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. It's just easier to look at all the whine topics and say "oh everyone must hate it" than to think about all the people that don't care to post about it.

    When people go out of their way to give restaurants feedback its almost always complaining about the food, not telling them they liked the food. Those feedback does not necessarily mean that most people dislike the food. The same applies for these forums.
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    You both have no proof because neither of you can speak for the majority of the community. Since complaints on the forums could easily be the vocal minority, there is no way to gauge whether or not a majority of the playerbase likes the Atma quest. The only way to be certain is to poll everyone which isn't going to happen. So let's go back to stating our own opinions rather than making sweeping accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    You both have no proof because neither of you can speak for the majority of the community. Since complaints on the forums could easily be the vocal minority, there is no way to gauge whether or not a majority of the playerbase likes the Atma quest. The only way to be certain is to poll everyone which isn't going to happen. So let's go back to stating our own opinions rather than making sweeping accusations.
    Excuse me? Am I trying to say the majority likes it? Nope, because saying that is just as bad and wrong as saying the majority does not like it. You are failing to see my point because I'm not trying to speak for anyone.

    My point is that you cannot speak for everyone. It has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on the Atma questline.
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    you have been repeating yourself the whole time which is why it's funny you still think i am wrong.

    se bases everything off of majority, that's how it works sadly you want to say it doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    se bases everything off of majority
    You sure love coughing up BS lmao. While you're at it, go prove that too. SE has said no such statements about the majority of the playerbase's opinions.

    And I don't think you're wrong. I know you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaels View Post
    You sure love coughing up BS lmao. While you're at it, go prove that too. SE has said no such statements about the majority of the playerbase's opinions.
    ok then why did coil get echo buff? why did harder things get nerfed? why does hm's and chimera have echo now? why is content being eased up on? it's because they feel like it right?
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