If you haven't gotten an Atma weapon yet...

[Pyreflye]

Making a whiny thread about whiners.

Very productive.

[Lee-Akira]

I was at odds with ATMA, it took me five days to gather all 12, but I wasn't planning on getting them just yet, but why did I? because of the last patch, I was one of the people that keeps getting 9k'd and just attacked with huge lag, so bad can't even do any raid, primal, dungeons, so what else was I gonna do? Gather Atma. Is not that bad, if you don't get an Atma after 30 minutes on one place, you should port to another and try there.

[Slatervonjager]

Really though, why do you feel the need to interject multiple times in every thread about the issue? If the complaints bother you then just stop reading them.

You're mistake, is assuming I read all of those threads. In fact, you don't have to read ANY of them, you just have to look at the title, which before you say "well you don't have to read that either" you actually do have to read it to get a simple understand of what the thread is(sometimes misleading though). I have read a few, we all have.

No, it's twelve 2% drops, per weapon, that by themselves don't even get you any reward, they simply grant you the ability to start upgrading your weapon.

Anyone that isn't an utter masochist can see the glaring problems with the system.

The number you need is not reflective on the item's drop rate. It is STILL a 2% drop rate. When I needed 5 Heavenly rathalos scales, which are 1% drops, they weren't magically a 5% drop. And if you think it's that big of an issue, then you haven't played a game with real farming in it. This game is pathetic when it comes to grinding.

We need some kind of place where people can complain about terrible game mechanics and lick our wounds while sharing in each others' sadness. Maybe some kind of internet forum? I don't know...

Ah, but see that's where you're only half right. You can complain on a forum, however too many complaints relating to the same topic usually warrants action on other forums. Any forum that doesn't begin locking and eventually punishing users for posting the same thread over and over is one that A. doesn't moderate it's forums, or B. has mods that are more fixated on banning people for flamewars. guess which kind of forum this is. Everyone is free to complain, however this forum is reddit level bad with much crap people cry about on it. Hell, LoL's official forums aren't this bad, and there's 40 million people playin that game.

Making a whiny thread about whiners.

Very productive.

See you have confused telling cry babies to get over themselves, with actual whining. Common mistake when a forum is 90% whining and 10% actual discussion. Also, it's a lot more productive then the cry about atma threads we see everyday, because it's something different.

[Fynlar]

The number you need is not reflective on the item's drop rate. It is STILL a 2% drop rate.

Yeah, which you need twelve of and not just one, which makes 2% seem a lot crappier than it would if you just needed one.

You could make anything sound easy by saying "oh, it has a 100% drop rate though!" but what if you needed a million drops? Both values are important.

And if you think it's that big of an issue, then you haven't played a game with real farming in it. This game is pathetic when it comes to grinding.

Why would anyone want to play a game like that unless they were simply looking for timewasters and didn't care if they were actually having fun?

A grind done well is one that makes you forget about the fact you're grinding and actually has you wanting to keep going, either because the process involved is rewarding, or because the reward at the end of it is actually meaningful enough. Atmas don't qualify in any of these senses.

[Roris]

It's not whining when I do it everyone else is the whiner not me, nevermind these crybabies have much better arguments and suggestions on how to actually improve the game most of the time, I just never bother actually reading them because they're implying this game isn't perfect and I don't like that so I instantly disregard it!

[Wobble]

No, it's twelve 2% drops, per weapon, that by themselves don't even get you any reward, they simply grant you the ability to start upgrading your weapon.

Anyone that isn't an utter masochist can see the glaring problems with the system.

This right here. There is no reason for the low drop rate or even any RNG on them at all considering there is even more grind after you spend hours and days trying to get the atma drops.

[Pyreflye]

See you have confused telling cry babies to get over themselves, with actual whining. Common mistake when a forum is 90% whining and 10% actual discussion. Also, it's a lot more productive then the cry about atma threads we see everyday, because it's something different.

Your entire OP gives the reader the impression of whining.

"is it really such a big issue that you have to flood the forums with a 100 different threads every day whining about how you can't get an atma? The atma weapon has no statistical changes from the zenith, and the animus isn't even best in slot. So why all the crying over it?"

"All the whining you guys do is your own fault, as no one is forcing you to farm fates for atmas. Square didn't stick the controller/keyboard in your hand and force you to farm, you did it to yourself. So the only person you can complain to, is you."

You can say it's not whining all you like.
What matters is the impression you give the reader, and whining is exactly the impression that we get.

[SasaraiKorai]

See you have confused telling cry babies to get over themselves, with actual whining. Common mistake when a forum is 90% whining and 10% actual discussion. Also, it's a lot more productive then the cry about atma threads we see everyday, because it's something different.

It's actually sad that you can't see the hypocrisy in your own post. You create a thread to complain about people making unnecessary threads to complain about something they don't have to do. Then you say they should get over themselves and that their complaints amount to "whining" and not "actual discussion."

You create a thread that is entirely unnecessary to complain about something you don't have to read. You don't acknowledge that there are valid points being made on the other side, but instead focus only on what you think and establish that it must be correct . . . well because you said so. And how is it more productive to tell people that what they believe is irrelevant because they don't have to do the content? Let's also not forget that your post is not the first to complain about the complainers, so the redundancy adds even less credibility to your argument.

[Ryuko]

I'm working on my eighth book, and I don't mind if people complain. The luck factor of the atma part of the quest can be very frustrating. It sort of reminds me of the Hamlet grind for relics in 1.0... except even then, if you were rich or resourceful enough, you could 'buy' your way to a guaranteed drop from each hamlet... however, you needed three items per hamlet defense per person... it took months to get everyone past this stage even when my LS dominated the donation slots. It's what people refer to as 'prolonging content' and making sure people can't progress too quickly. It's frustrating for people who get unlucky, but at least in this version of 'prolonging the quest' (atma drops), people with tons of money can't dominate. Plus, the double meld of 1.0... ugggghhhh. Such a money sink.

[Estellios]

The only reason this is more tolerable than Hamlets is because I don't have to drag 7 other people along with me for hours in order to get nothing, the only persons' time I waste is my own.

Still, I thought the devs learned their lesson after that debacle.