The Monk Temple Reborn

[minahsaranghae]

What kind of DPS would you expect a i115-ish monk to be doing in T12? Our monk is currently doing about 350-370 DPS. We haven't beaten the fight quite yet but getting well into Phase 4 now. We have white mage run the bluefires into red fires, and the monk is mostly ignoring Bennus. The raid comp is: pld, war, monk, drg, bard, smn, whm, sch. Smn doing well over 420 dps, bard at 380ish, Dragoon slightly below 400. Bard and SMN using i120 weapons. From all the videos of T12 kills with parsers, the monk has been always topping the meters, or at least in top 2.

He is using HA weapon, Dreadwyrm boots, the rest is i110 stuff. He parses about 450 without food/party/pot on a dummy.

If we assume no GL stack drops before flight phase in P4, do you reckon that our monk is underperforming or is the dps alright for his gear?

[minahsaranghae]

So yeah long story short, 370 is kinda low.

Thanks for the answer. I suppose he is doing something fundamentally wrong with his rotations/playstyle then. Have to tell him to go study some monk povs and rotations.

[duceTRE]

I don't really bother because people just want to cherry pick their best and pass it off as though that's what everyone should hit.

I also agree, and I think the same could be said for when ppl use Mercy Stroke in a dummy parse, I mean come on, in an actual fight you won't be "stroking" all that much, imo. All it will do is falsely inflate your end parse.

[Reisho]

Hello my fellow monks,

Just wondring if anyone has access to our new BIS gear. I'm currently I122 but SS is killing me. I have about 350 SS right now.

[Ricdeau]

Hello my fellow monks,

Just wondring if anyone has access to our new BIS gear. I'm currently I122 but SS is killing me. I have about 350 SS right now.

Skill speed is killing you at 350? Or do you mean your other gear options are skill speed heavy? I'm guessing the latter since 350 skill speed is quite low.

Anyway take a look at this set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OINM

[PROBOUND]

Anyway take a look at this set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OINM

wow i really like your set! Is this the widely accepted MNK BiS or something you came up with personally? This is the one i came up with before seeing yours.

My set adds: +51 Crit, +3 Speed
My set looses: +32 DET, -6 Acc

Now looking at both sets its pretty clear that 32 Det is far more valuable than that 51 Crit cuz Bootshine.

I've always had this assumption that having 500+ Crit and 350+ DET was essentially the "Magic Numbers" and as long as you keep your numbers above those your golden. Now i see that thats a flaud way of thinking especially considering MNK has a different stat priority. Not seeing 500+ Crit kinda hurts but in the end its about output i guess.

Thanks for this.

[Ricdeau]

wow i really like your set! Is this the widely accepted MNK BiS or something you came up with personally? This is the one i came up with before seeing yours.

My set adds: +51 Crit, +3 Speed
My set looses: +32 DET, -6 Acc

Now looking at both sets its pretty clear that 32 Det is far more valuable than tha 51 Crit.

I actually haven't seen much conversation between monks on the new BiS. I played around with different stats to see what I could come up with. I felt this was the best balanced, and also ends up being the BiS the Ariyala solver will give you if you put in 535 acc and include food buffs. I kept trying to get something with ~400 skill speed without impacting other stats too much, but I just couldn't get something I liked.

Edit: What I'd really like to see is someone rework the stat weights with i130 in mind so we can readjust the values to better reflect the new secondary stats allocations that are available to us. The stats weights we're using right now are somewhat out of date, but still valid enough to be a good guideline, but some fine tuning needs to be done since stat allocations have increased. Unfortunately my math skills have dwindled over the years I'm no longer near as good as I once was. So I generally just try to feed the current math whizzes raw parse data when they need it.

[PROBOUND]

I kept trying to get something with ~400 skill speed without impacting other stats too much, but I just couldn't get something I liked.

I made a small adjustment to your set and was able to squeeze out +21 Crit +9 acc while loosing -29 Speed. Putting us well above (547) Rear/Flank cap (frontal cap for T13 adds maybe?) but also lowering our speed to 356. Is this too slow? (Obsessed with my Magic Numbers lol)

CRIT: 477
DET: 411
ACC: 547
Speed: 356

Adjusted Set

Which brings up my next question: How slow can a MNK go?

[Reisho]

sorry its 450 Ricdeau. I just got the dreadwyrm chest piece last night which boosted my SS up high... but I really like the BIS that you posted not that it's set in stone but I like to itemize my gear so if it's not t12 or t13 I can less acc gear and focus more on something else. I still have problems in t13 where my GL falls off during earthshaker. It's a pain...