The Monk Temple Reborn

[Xenosan]

Delirium is not their highest DPS WS. (Actually I think it's their lowest). It also branches from the same WS as Souleater (and Souleater is the highest Potency WS)

So if there's a MNK in party DRK wouldn't be using Delirium at all,

It'd be very silly too if it did overwrite, too. An oversight that should be fixed.. Don't need those DRKs to be trolling. Would be the first example of negative synergy between two jobs. And that seems to be something against SE's letterhead.

[Ossom]

Just gonna stack Crit, spam Elixer Drive when it comes up and hope for the best at this point, see you guys in HW

[w153m4n]

Re-reading Delirium's tooltip it reads "Effect does not stack with DK", so I think it won't overwrite anything. The 2 icons can still appear together but mob's INT will only be reduced by 10% not 20%.

[Zamii]

Re-reading Delirium's tooltip it reads "Effect does not stack with DK", so I think it won't overwrite anything. The 2 icons can still appear together but mob's INT will only be reduced by 10% not 20%.

cant believe i never considered this before, that actually makes a lot of sence.

[Hakmatic]

The mary jane clouds my brain, I should have thought of that too.

[Kuroyasha]

I keep looking at the additional skills and changes to skills for all the existing classes. Monk changes are looking kinda boring in comparison xD. Nice to have a 220 pot Kamehameha oGCD added every 30 sec though. I know we could use Med like fracture, but i mean if Demo is extended to 21 sec now we can just go through another 3 skills just fine since we'd be at 9 instead of 6. Ofc, this isn't taking into account how fast ticks go with skill speed. With that change, we may find ourselves at numbers on the DoTs more often where the Meditate can be used to get the last tick, thus resulting in more chances to pop a 320 Forbidden Chakra(I forget the potency of it really). Hmmm.

Add on top of that when we have either t11 type raids of constant uptime, or even just entering the last phase of trial when you know the boss wont jump anymore/spawn adds/etc, you'd have a reason to at least use TK again whenever you have IR+BFB (or IR+BFB+Pot in Alexander) about to wear off for some huge dmg, then pop PB to get right back to GL3. After typing all this out and thinking as I typed, maybe monk won't be as boring as I thought (relative to other classes' changes).

I still look at all the dmg stuff drg got and feel a little sad lol not to mention NIN Dream within a Dream(300 pot total oGCD with 90sec cooldown i believe), Duality(90 sec cooldown oGCD, basically a 2-hit version of the new Barrage..side note: new barrage makes wanderer's minuet pretty awesome for bards), and Armor Crush(basically replace Huton casting for 0 potency(and extra mudra lag) with a 280 potency weaponskill that extends Huton by 30 sec, and no mudra lag...that's big right there).

[Zamii]

starting with dragon kick is just a part of what it used to be pre-buff, as bootshine used to only be 130 potency, so your correct starting with bootshine is now better, although if your hitting the positional then it doesnt matter, but again this will change in HW

[Ossom]

Please listen as I feel this issue will arise more after Heavensward starts:

You do not want to clip your GCDs for any reason, including popping Meditate to help line up DoTs and Buffs. I've said it about 5 times in this thread, though I'll definitely keep saying it again just to drive the point home. I feel as though Meditate might be the bane of Monks if a lot of Monks start doing this. It is a 100% DPS loss. You are losing DPS if you can do any weaponskill and instead hit Meditate, only use Meditate when you are unable to hit a monster, otherwise it is a DPS loss.

If you need me to explain why, I can and will do so, just let me know.

Edit: I wonder if someone has done the math of Tornado Kick > PB to see if that is a DPS increase. I have a feeling it is, especially if DK/TS and Demo are up.

[Craiger]

Please listen as I feel this issue will arise more after Heavensward starts:

You do not want to clip your GCDs for any reason, including popping Meditate to help line up DoTs and Buffs. I've said it about 5 times in this thread, though I'll definitely keep saying it again just to drive the point home. I feel as though Meditate might be the bane of Monks if a lot of Monks start doing this. It is a 100% DPS loss. You are losing DPS if you can do any weaponskill and instead hit Meditate, only use Meditate when you are unable to hit a monster, otherwise it is a DPS loss.

If you need me to explain why, I can and will do so, just let me know.

Edit: I wonder if someone has done the math of Tornado Kick > PB to see if that is a DPS increase. I have a feeling it is, especially if DK/TS and Demo are up.

Exactly. Losing out on 1 tick of Demo is 40 potency... That's not worth waiting for.

I think someone did some math on Tornado Kick in Reddit, and that person got an increase of potency by using TK without PB even, if used at the right time... Not sure if that is really the case, but if you're using PB, then it certainly is a DPS boost. Don't think we're talking anything huge here though, which is kinda the problem I have with this new potency instead of 500...

[Blackelement]

Exactly. Losing out on 1 tick of Demo is 40 potency... That's not worth waiting for.

I think someone did some math on Tornado Kick in Reddit, and that person got an increase of potency by using TK without PB even, if used at the right time... Not sure if that is really the case, but if you're using PB, then it certainly is a DPS boost. Don't think we're talking anything huge here though, which is kinda the problem I have with this new potency instead of 500...

At the france expo, TK was a 500 potency which is what that math was based off. The dps increase worked out to be ~1-200 potency. However, now its been lowered to 330 potency, that makes it a 100% loss if you use it without PB during combat. As for doing it with PB available, someone else would have to do that math, I'm too lazy..