The Monk Temple Reborn

[Odowla]

If it is unaffected by GL speed increase and SS then it's not going to see too much use. It does seem odd that Elixir Field is the only real thing being added to the rotation compared to the other two melee. Right now our changes really revolve around things to do during downtime.

To be fair that's monk's weakness. You restart after downtime with 0 stacks and basically 0 damage. All you have is Perfect Balance if it's up, otherwise you gotta build them up

[Arkenne]

things to do during downtime.

Well, they said in the letter that that was their aim.

[Evtrai]

If it is unaffected by GL speed increase and SS then it's not going to see too much use. It does seem odd that Elixir Field is the only real thing being added to the rotation compared to the other two melee. Right now our changes really revolve around things to do during downtime.

So far I'm looking at it like Odowla is. I think can be a filler move. So we can fit 7 GCDs between refreshes of DK/Twin. Sometimes we don't have anything to use if ToD and Fracture are up. So you'd still gain stacks just at a slow pace. Then you get additional stacks for mechanics where you can't attack or phase downtime. I'm trying to think about it positively until I get my hands on it and can determine if it's no good or not.

Edit - Daily post limits are stupid. I agree that they are addressing our biggest problem, Odowla. I think everyone was looking forward to the changes in rotation that are typical of an MMO expansion, and Monk doesn't appear to be changing much. Time will tell though.

This makes me get hopeful. I really wish this is viable with the extra time.

[Aiurily]

i can see it being used as filler, but with +3 seconds on demolish seemingly solving a lot of demolish rotation problems where it drops off, is it going to have much of a use?

though if its affected by haste and skillspeed, it'd scale quite well i think. like if your regular gcd was 2.0 with GL3 and skill speed, and meditation was 1.0s GCD (so basically -0.5s on both), you could fit in 2 chakras for every GCD, or effectively a flexible filler that does 64 potency (320/5=64) on a 1s GCD to smooth out your rotation. if you use 2 chakras, it's the equivalent of doing a 128 potency gcd attack; it's lower than average, but if can smooth out your rotation and dot rotations, it can lead to a dps increase probably?

[Arkenne]

Skill Speed and Meditation

Well, I dont think Meditation will be affected by Skill Speed, based on its description in the tooltip.
Other than that I think they want it to be used exclusively on disconects from the boss.

Like that one circular AoE that forces you to walk away for more than 3 seconds, or in the transition from Boss -> Add -> Boss and Shoulder Tackle is on cooldown.

[w153m4n]

So to get 5 stacks of Chakra takes 7.5s, which means losing 3 attacks, seems still not worth it.
Is it the first time we see a GCD move with less than the standard 2.5s recast pre-buff? I'm not too familiar with other jobs so maybe there's one already?
It will be interesting to see the faster 1.5s GCD.

Also don't know if it's worth noting, neither Purification nor Forbidden Chakra mentions that the Chakra stacks will be used, but seems broken if we get permanent Chakra stacks throughout ("Fist of Chakra")

[Ossom]

No, skipping a GCD by using Meditation or 2 to wait for Buffs to line up with your Dots will not lead to a Dps increase, it never will. because the gain you get from that one attack you want being buffed will never out weigh the damage you lose from not attacking, that's pretty obvious.

On another note, I didn't see anywhere where you would lose Chakra for doing Forbidden Chakra or the other skill, I've noticed that they mention that stuff for Warriors new Deliverance or w/e (where the stacks of abandon are lost) but ignore it for monks. I'm starting to think that we don't actually blow our Chakra and instead stay at 5 stacks once we get to 5 stacks until the instance is over, we die or change jobs, anyone talk to anyone who has actually played Monk and didn't googly eyes at the graphics and actually looked at how the skills work and can actually confirm that we lose Chakra after we do Forbidden Chakra or the Purification?

[Odowla]

No, skipping a GCD by using Meditation or 2 to wait for Buffs to line up with your Dots will not lead to a Dps increase, it never will. because the gain you get from that one attack you want being buffed will never out weigh the damage you lose from not attacking, that's pretty obvious.

It's all speculation, we'll know soon. I know around when I'll be levelling monk, but i'll be watching the thread and helping with the theory craft, I need to do it anyways. YAY FLEX ROLE.

Maybe it's not even a GCD, that would be optimal.

[Zamii]

It's all speculation, we'll know soon. I know around when I'll be levelling monk, but i'll be watching the thread and helping with the theory craft, I need to do it anyways. YAY FLEX ROLE.

Maybe it's not even a GCD, that would be optimal.

Ossom is right, the theorycrafting for this is extremely simple
the lowest potency skill we have is 140, without even factoring in the higher potency skills lets look at this.
we can do approx 3.5 skills per full stack of chakra, that means forbidden chakra would need to be at least 140 * 3.5 potency
and as we all know, forbidden chakra is definitely NOT 490 potency

[Zamii]

On another note, I didn't see anywhere where you would lose Chakra for doing Forbidden Chakra or the other skill

all the summoner and scholar skills that use aetherflow are worded the same way, so i would asume we still lose the chakra, if that wasnt the case we would be getting a free 320 potency every 5s from forbidden chakra, and thats obviously not going to happen.