The Monk Temple Reborn

[Dervy]

Nope. Skills themselves, individually, wouldn't affect weights due to how potency works. Potency is nothing more than just a multiplier of the base value of damage. As it's a multiplier, the impact of 1 point of DET will be exactly the same, no matter whatever skill you use, at the same baseline of gear-stats. It's a bit more complicated then that obviously as each job has their own Rotations and Auto-Attack values, but that's a simplification of it.

EDIT:

Actually, for bootshine, it could be a unique case. But I wouldn't go as far to say "each skill has their weight", as you won't be spamming bootshine 24/7 :P. I guess it would just be "greater impact on DPS" under certain circumstances.

[Krindor]

On the topic of BiS how would the drop in strength and therefore drop in det value affect it? If we go by Dervys work on DRG a loss in about 7 STR results in DET value dropping to 0.41 instead of 0.43 resulting in a loss of ,correct me if I'm wrong, 411*0.02=8 STR or if the base det is not affected, 209*0.02=4.2 str.

[Dervy]

It's the whole 411. Also, that 7 STR loss lowering the weight to 0.41 is an overestimation by me. It wouldn't be that low. A 7 STR loss would be 0.439 -> 0.434.

And to be honest with you, that 0.02 number you used is just the slope per damage against Strength alone using Action Skills. Nothing more. If you wanted the actual damage per Determination, according to my model at 663 Strength, it's 0.357 DPS per DET from 0. So 411*0.357 = 146.727 DPS roughly from Determination alone and this includes Auto-Attacks.

I'll get actual Monk calculations done eventually, but it will need to be an entire community effort as I do not have a monk at 50 admittedly lmao.

EDIT: Don't ask why I'm posting at 5:54am my time.

[Krindor]

Don't worry I posted mine at 6 am my time, though what I was out for is if crafted gear is actually worth it as even with the decrease of only 0.005 in value for DET would make a big enough of a difference for it to be equal to regular i130 and therefore not worth it, I might just be thinking completely wrong considering it's now 7 am and I haven't slept yet and I just realised that the difference between your set and the max str is 17 not 7......

[Dervy]

Makes no difference. For example, my T13 set which uses crafted gear is still, theoretically, 4DPS higher then that 411 set (both T13 accuracy)

58 WD
663 STR
441 DET
513 CRT
341 SS

vs

58 WD
648 STR
422 DET
561 CRT
386 SS

[Ossom]

Why even try to argue with Dervy? The man puts in so much tedious work to bring such a huge service to people looking to optimize for progression.

"A piece is either better than the other piece or not. And the only way it is BETTER, is if it translates to higher dps, higher performance. "

This is just untrue, you speak as if its definite. Then no one would wear accuracy gear because accuracy doesn't have a stat weight. Statement proven false.

Anyways, the difference between iLv130 non BIS set and iLv130 BIS set isn't gonna lead to 100 dps increase. That just do not make sense.

[Ricdeau]

Looks like a few of his final posts got deleted.

Also in reply to you Ossom, I find it painfully difficult to explain to people when comparing gear you compare sets not individual pieces. Sure an individual piece can be better than another piece in that slot, but if it doesn't fit in your set to obtain a necessary cap then what good does it do.

[siverstorm]

Looks like a few of his final posts got deleted.

I'm pretty sure it was mod deleted too, that last post right before yours was hilarious. You can almost still smell the salt in the air.

[Ricdeau]

I might be able to claim some victory on that one being gone...and the one before that.... >_>

[Kikosho]

I'm giggling that you guys fell for his bait. He was doing the same thing back in 2.0-2.1 days. I had a rageflashback as I read his posts.