thank you for making tidal wave shield drop and compensate mirros but......

[ba3oo]

i dont think its fair that PLD requires 1 extra oil of time to upgrade all its accessories because of shield...

you fixed this issue with the wave shield!! please make it fair with oil of time too!!

[Illya]

Considering the insanely low drop rate of Mirrors, the PLD is already essentially getting a free i100 shield. Meanwhile the WAR is stuck with the i95 Wave Axe, no free upgrades for them.

If Squenix keeps giving away free things to PLD, they're going to start making WAR players mad.

[ManaKeKz]

Far as I understood it, Tidal Wave Shield dropping directly is an intermediate fix until the next patch (today's patch?) where you can upgrade both items with 1 mirror - so back to 95 drops, but just 1 mirror required.
Now that you point it out, it does seem a bit unbalanced that Paladins have to spend 2 oils on their weapon combo while everyone else need one... same issue as with the mirror, no? Same fix sounds sensible to me.

[Muzy]

Biggest difference though is, oils drop a hell of a lot more than mirrors do, so while it's slightly unfair, it's also not going to potentially set them back a huge amount of time.

[ba3oo]

Far as I understood it, Tidal Wave Shield dropping directly is an intermediate fix until the next patch (today's patch?) where you can upgrade both items with 1 mirror - so back to 95 drops, but just 1 mirror required.
Now that you point it out, it does seem a bit unbalanced that Paladins have to spend 2 oils on their weapon combo while everyone else need one... same issue as with the mirror, no? Same fix sounds sensible to me.

acutly you need one oil of time for sheild and one unidentified allagan tombstone for sword. but ya all classes require 5 oils of time for all their accessories while PLD need 6 + an allagan tombstone for weapon ( not sure if you need oil of time or sand of time for belt )

[ba3oo]

Biggest difference though is, oils drop a hell of a lot more than mirrors do, so while it's slightly unfair, it's also not going to potentially set them back a huge amount of time.

acutly as fas as i know its 100% from T6/T9. but would it set me back? yes because if you are in a static you wont be able to lot oil/allagan tombstone untill all members get one if you already got one... so once a week x8 basicly 8 weeks untill you get another one

Considering the insanely low drop rate of Mirrors, the PLD is already essentially getting a free i100 shield.

ya but war can get 110 weapon with full stats with 1 unidentified allagan tombstone, while pld who has sword/shield and can get 110 weapon and 100 shield will be gimped because stats are shared between sword and shield with only 1 unidentified allagan tombstone

[Donjo]

If we're talking about the items necessary to upgrade the Weathered items to i110, then the Burtgang(Weapon) requires a Sands of Time and the Noct Hoplon requires an Oil of time. The way the Sand/Oil system seems to be currently running is that Left Side = Sand and Right Side = Oil. The Unidentified Tomestone is required for the Weathered i100 weapons. The way I see it, the fact that Paladin's need two whatevers of Time to upgrade both weapon and shield is balanced by the fact that the shield is purchasable without any kind of extra item. They're the only job that can get a weathered "hand" item with just Soldiery.

Besides, why complain about needing one item for each of sword and shield? It's far more worth it to skip a i110 shield entirely and go for the i115 Allagan Kite Shield, especially considering that Tower Shields(like the Noct Hoplon) are the scariest shields to have during high damage situations. Such as, you know, raids

[ba3oo]

ah i was assuming that unidentified tombstone was for upgrade... but regardless it dont change the fact that PLD will need sand of time + oil of time to get both sword and shield to 110.. thats on extra oil of time that can be used elsewhere to upgrade something else that other classes dont have a problem with.

The way I see it, the fact that Paladin's need two whatevers of Time to upgrade both weapon and shield is balanced by the fact that the shield is purchasable without any kind of extra item.

that would be the case if the actual sword had full stats with just sands of time. but an 110 sword will have the stats of an Ilvl 105 item and the remaining 5 will come from the shield.... so basically i am using one sands of time for an an incomplete weapon.

[ba3oo]

Besides, why complain about needing one item for each of sword and shield? It's far more worth it to skip a i110 shield entirely and go for the i115 Allagan Kite Shield, especially considering that Tower Shields(like the Noct Hoplon) are the scariest shields to have during high damage situations. Such as, you know, raids

well .. read what i said above about sword/sheild stats .. and some people might argue that tower shields are better than kite/bucklers ( i am one of them ) but thats a different topic, though i wont argue high allagan better than noct hoplon .. cause 115 > 110

[Remn]

btw what happen to player who has tidal sword but i95 shield ? do we have to farm another shield?