"Most people don't have Animus yet"...

[melflomil]

Oh invisible ATMA.

[DkFusion]

Yay this thread...again.

If you gate atma/animus behind bosses - You just made another weathered weapon.

If you make it based of quests - You'd need about as many scenario quests as currently exist total to even create any type of time sink. It's really not reasonable to release that much content for 1 stage of an item.

RNG/Grind is a perfectly fine alternative to weathered weapons which require the skill and patience against other players going for weathered weapons.

It almost all plays parallel. Levi requires a mirror with an extremely low drop rate to achieve 100. Animus requires 12 rng atmas and 13,500 myths which require less skill and more time, and weathered requires more skill and less time to a degree (based on if you get the unidentified tomestone and are beating T7)

Reward - The grind sucks...the reward feel great once it's done.

[Velhart]

If they lock Novus behind Extreme Primals I quit. Busted my ass for my Animus because I could do it solo without having to rely on people to get their shit together to progress.

First relic quest you had to fight Chimera, Hydra, Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan. Why would you be surprised if we had to do extreme primals?

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I'm fine if you have to delay the quest for certain reasons. However, don't make a statement saying, "Most people won't have the Animus before 2.25" and then say that you need to re balance it because a lot of people don't have one. I thought this was a mission accomplished type of thing. I am not arguing that balance isn't needed, it definitely does. The Atma portion of the quest is beyond atrocious. At the same time, I don't want to see it get to the point that everyone doesn't get one so easily. Not at a casual pace at least.

[Kirinichibon]

Atma drop rate is too low to justify the boredom for me. I wouldn't mind farming low level fates for a few hours for assured drops, but with the current drop rate I could spent 5 minutes or 50 hours in the same zone with no luck and no way to strategically increase my luck (that we are aware of). It's gambling with my time that I don't find engaging.

I'll wait until it's nerfed. I'm not hard core enough, I guess.

[KingOfAbyss]

I still don't understand how you can blame players. They're not at fault for content that doesn't hold their interest.

Personally I'm quite happy for them to be taking their time with the next stage and attempting to get it right.

My GF completely gave up on it, she's the impatient type (lucky me.. she doesn't read here muahahahah) She tried, got bored, as she still have to get her BRD to 50, and then she puts fates lvling grinding aside to do.. fate grinding with no luck?

I don't blame her, I'm happy we are enjoying the game, each at our own pace.. (yes, I was 'lucky' to grind for 1min and getting all 12 Atmas..)

*SE wanted to challenge the players by saying: not everyone will get it by 2.25.. they just assumed everyone would give it their all to prove them wrong.. once again.. with everything they do..

but it backfired ^^

SO, taking into account players; should we also consider Gatherers/Crafters?


On a daily basis, with all there is to do, lets say with some 'bad luck'

Complete runs are taken into account here, even if it's just estimates

Beast Tribes 30min
Main Scenario (with new people that watch scenes, and that is fair enough) 60min
Trials hmm.. 20min let's say
Low-lvl Dgn 30min
High-lvl dgn 60min (DF )
Expert (20-30min)

You haven't started yet to do 'anything' related to playing, this is the boring part to get rid of..

But guess what? your playing time will be over for lots of peeps.

So, you have to cut somewhere, making choices.

I didnt even talk about EM Primals, Coil Runs, CT? (lol what 100myth and lvl 80 gear that will soon-to-be-dyeable yessss!)

I barely scratched the surface, but it all comes down to one point. FUN

whatever you do, just have fun. Spend your time however you'd like, and if you don't have the Atmas.. you'll get it, one day.

[DoubleT]

Yay this thread...again.

^^ This, an so much this! I am so sick of these stupid atma whiners. If you dont like it, dont do it. Its that simple. There are 2 other paths to choose from for getting high lv weapons, go after one of those. Oh wait, ya'll wont go after those either cuz they are even harder to get. Ya'll just want to get a free max-lv weapon for 0 effort when everyone else has to work for theirs. "The grind sux, droprate sux" Blah Blah. You know what, some of us like a grind, an have been asking for something to grind on in this game cuz befor patch 2.2, everything could be achieved in 1 month, an everyone would unsub till the next patch. If thats what ya'll want to do, why not just unsub now, an save yourself some money an the rest of us some greef. I mean, you were all told ahead of time before the quest was even put in game, that it would take a longtime, an not many people would have it complete by the time of the next quest addition, but all ya'll heard was, "Ooooo New shiny, gimme gimme, now now"