Thread: Zoidac Weapon 2.28

Originally Posted by DkFusion

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So fun = easy now?
The grind wasn't fun, even you admit it and now you're saying people are entitled because they're calling out things that aren't fun? Or are you saying you like doing things that aren't fun (but wouldn't that make it fun if you like doing it, wut?)

Are you confusing a timing consuming, mind numbing activity as hard?

Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno

So fun = easy now?
The grind wasn't fun, even you admit it and now you're saying people are entitled because they're calling out things that aren't fun? Or are you saying you like doing things that aren't fun (but wouldn't that make it fun if you like doing it, wut?)

Are you confusing a timing consuming, mind numbing activity as hard?

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing. People have constantly as of late been trying to seperate the two. Regardless if it takes 60 hours to down Turn 9 for loot or farm myth for 60 hours for Animus, they both require 60 hards and are more difficult then something that takes 30 minutes minute to complete. The grind is already inherently more easy as it doesn't require to rely on the competency of 7 other players, just your persistence in completing it.

Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing. People have constantly as of late been trying to seperate the two. Regardless if it takes 60 hours to down Turn 9 for loot or farm myth for 60 hours for Animus, they both require 60 hards and are more difficult then something that takes 30 minutes minute to complete. The grind is already inherently more easy as it doesn't require to rely on the competency of 7 other players, just your persistence in completing it.

I don't even know what to say.

Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing.

I'll spell this out as plainly as I can. Things that are hard are often time consuming. However, time consuming things are not always hard.

Now, guess which category the atma/animus grind falls into.

Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

I'll spell this out as plainly as I can. Things that are hard are often time consuming. However, time consuming things are not always hard.

Now, guess which category the atma/animus grind falls into.

People who cannot dedicate the time, have a hard time doing so. It's hard for many people, just for a different reason.

Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing.

This is not true at all. Just because something is time consuming doesn't make it difficult.

Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing. People have constantly as of late been trying to seperate the two. Regardless if it takes 60 hours to down Turn 9 for loot or farm myth for 60 hours for Animus, they both require 60 hards and are more difficult then something that takes 30 minutes minute to complete. The grind is already inherently more easy as it doesn't require to rely on the competency of 7 other players, just your persistence in completing it.

Time consuming and hard are NOT the same thing at all.

Something can take a chunk of time and be challenging and something can take a chunk of time and be faceroll. eg zerging low level fates compared to running coil 2. Yet in your logic, Coil 2 is easier....

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Time consuming and hard are NOT the same thing at all.

Something can take a chunk of time and be challenging and something can take a chunk of time and be faceroll. eg zerging low level fates compared to running coil 2. Yet in your logic, Coil 2 is easier....

Well think about it for a second. Is it "easy" for YOU to grind fates for hours on end? You have to stop thinking about skill only, because i'm betting you have to distract yourself or take breaks or something to get past the tedium of it.

Everyone says they don't want it to be a grind, but they want it to be difficult. Attach it to a primal? So it can be bought...attach it to a coil turn? Coil already as weapons of similar level and ability. The myth grind is fine, the atma grind is fine. I didn't say it was fun but I sure as heck felt a lot of accomplishment when it was done. SE set a bad precedent with the original relic quest line and ease of completion. Without a grind to always create a generic time table people will over gear content (Titan HM) and people will have them for every job, which in my opinion you shouldn't be able to 9/9 in a month.