Possible Alternative to current Atma?

[SionDurant]

I understand SE wants this to be longer, drawn out. I respect it for different various reasons.

But the current state of RNG for Atma is very atrocious, 30 hrs spent to show for 1 atma stone whereas my FC mates come in 3-5 HR's and get 11/12 or even 12/12. It's not a very balanced system considering.

Perhaps SE should consider a Korean Style grind if they insist on a grind, see below.

Instead of complete RNG, break the Atma's into fragments.

Example: 10 Maiden Atma Fragments builds 1 Atma of the Maiden.

Rules:
Must obtain Gold Rank in Fate.
Must participate in fate until it's completion.
Atma Fragments have 50/50 chance per Gold Ranked Fate to drop, a set value, not randomized (edit from confusion)

Note: This means no matter what, you have to do at minimum 120 Fates. That's still a lot of Fates, and would still take players time when coupled with the books. SE could even just consider increase the myth count of each book to compensate for this to 2000 a book. People would tolerate the system a lot more if it wasn't so fecklessly based on RNG.

Of course I won't be complaining if Atma is just slapped with a nerf bat. Please, no more mindless RNG, it's very boring and discouraging.

[Arcaloid]

RNG will be fine if they can do what Diablo is doing, in that game for every 2 hours if you didn't get a legendary drop, the drop rate will be double.
Blizzard said 99% of the players should get at lease 1 drop within 2 hours, yet they still develop such a system for the unlucky 1%, while SE is just ignoring them.

[SionDurant]

They could also even make Crafting more relevant in this system too, make it so any crafter level 50 can utilize the materia melding tool to create the Atma pieces out of the 10 fragments, this would put more barriers that are not dependent on RNG and also add another gil sink.

[Nekodar]

Inconsistent... You want to retain RNG (50% is still RNG), but you don't want RNG...

[SionDurant]

Inconsistent... You want to retain RNG (50% is still RNG), but you don't want RNG...

50% to clarify I mean that you have a 50/50 chance on each Fate to get the fragment, that's not RNG that's a set increment.

[Nekodar]

50% to clarify I mean that you have a 50/50 chance on each Fate to get the fragment, that's not RNG that's a set increment.

Chance... 50%... still RNG...
Granted, less than 0.1% chance that you go 10 fates without getting a fragment, but RNG is RNG.
If you mean 50% on first try and 100% on second, say that instead.

[Delsus]

Another way they could do it is have it as a complete xx amount of FATEs to obtain the atma, they could tie that into lore by saying something like once so many mobs have been defeated (but we would still use FATEs) the aether released by the slewen monsters would react with the Zenith and crystalise forming a type of crystal known as Atma. Also to tie seperate zones into lore they could say "the environment inwhich the aether crystalises seems to affect the type of Atma created."

[Myrhn]

How do you know that the current RNG is not 50% and we all just have bad luck? Just like the poster above why replace a RNG with a RNG

[scarletfoxxy]

but what if your so unlucky you never or on the upside of this 50%?? i know it's unlikely but it also contradicts your argument. The change should simply be: after 30 gold fates in 24 hours in a particular area the next (31st fate) will drop the atma for you. They can keep the RNG for people who get drops before 30 but everyone else sees a light at the end of the tunnel.

[Deathscythe343]

A possible alternative would be to put atmas in places that you want players to go. They introduced 3 new dungeons in the patch. Put one in each of them. Or even make it so that you get one at random. They could start people off by giving them the water one when they complete the levi story mode.