Tank asked BLM to "mark and sleep"? Is this normal?

[Maero]

Well in that point in the story does anyone even still use sleep? Besides fairly certain mobs in Sv are immune to it

[Viviza]

It's certainly something I can do, but in a team, you are expected to do your job. He obviously knew the value of marking, why he didn't do just that was beyond me. He never said anything about marking beyond that initial one. Not cooperating is one thing (e.g. overgeared DPS not giving a s**t about enmity level), not doing your job is an entirely different thing, that would mean you're the one not cooperating.

Just because tanks usually do it doesn't make it their job. It sounds more like you saw something unusual, but not wrong per se, and simply refused out of habit.

As the more experienced player you were in a better position to help the run, or at least communicate.

[Judge_Xero]

Wrong.

I would Tomahawk it first, just to show you that I actually wanted to wake up the mob. Then I would Overpower it.

You get a gold medal for witty responses. TY for making me laugh so hard.

[Pyreflye]

Well in that point in the story does anyone even still use sleep? Besides fairly certain mobs in Sv are immune to it

The Dragon Aevis mobs are immune, the rest can be put to sleep.

For those running through SV for the first time/those with average gear, Sleep can easily save your group.
Trash in SV hit like a truck.

When I ran Stone Vigil for the very first time (when everyone else was also leveling up their first job), none of us knew the dungeon.
When we pulled a group and were surprised by Ice Sprites, Sleep sure as hell saved us then.

[Akirakogami]

yes it is normal.. if it's a 50> dungeon. tank hate generation is garbage untill they get all their skills. + you can't just overgear bulldoze those dungeons because of level sync.

50< hell no.

[GerMagic]

Not trying to be mean, but I gotta second some people here.

If you want a run to be smooth, give it YOUR best, or it's at leats partly your own fault.

If the tank doesn't communicate / care about marks, hate and so on, you can either do the same (which likely leads to a worse experience) or try to help the group the best YOU can.

That being said generally I'm not marking targets. I got a hotkey for "1" that I use in certain circumstances (for example those hot girls in Haukke HC when it says there's a new player in the group, since it helps when they get killed first etc.).
I've also marked "1" when I was asked to (:P) and when I was new in some dungeons it sometimes happened that a nice DD/Heal marked for me (explaining why each mob was put 1/2/3) which was a great help.

A lot of the DF problems are just people not communicating. Whenever I see someone doing something stupid I'm really angry at them. Not because they messed up, but because they didn't ask the group how to do something (latest example I asked a Bard if he was okay with doing the eggs in Sirius, he said something like "Of course" and then proceeded to kill every egg right after the pull^^). Talking / explaining will more often save you time than it will hurt you.

[Raestloz]

I don't see why you're refusing his request based on artificially enforced guidelines that no one actually needs to follow i.e. tanks and only tanks mark.

For the same reason nobody walks down the Hollywood completely naked: it's the norm. There are two kinds of laws: written and unwritten. Written laws say that tanks need to tank, just as BLM need to actually kill things. Unwritten laws say tanks need to mark, just as BLM needs to sleep if the mobs can be put to sleep and the tank can't take the incoming damage instead of just keep using Fire Fire Fire

Just because tanks usually do it doesn't make it their job. It sounds more like you saw something unusual, but not wrong per se, and simply refused out of habit.

As the more experienced player you were in a better position to help the run, or at least communicate.

I actually see it as a bad habit. I refused because I believe that while DPS can mark as well as the next guy, they can't take damage as well as the next tank. Tanks need to mark to ensure that the DPS are hitting the correct mobs at the correct time so they don't steal enmity so easily and disrupt the flow of combat, time that can be used to generate even more enmity on that mob that is on the verge of running to the healer.

HOWEVER, I also know that different culture may have different way, which is why I'm here asking. If what he did is, in fact, the norm in E culture, then that'd be what I do next time that happens.

I actually do not see the value in the effort to antagonize me that some people here do. Becoming a makeshift hero and making me look like a jackal now won't magically make him tank better in the past.

[Senfei]

I've marked plenty of dungeons as a DRG, usually only when I see the tank isn't marking. I typically would ask if they would like me to mark (and usually insert that if they are on a console, I know it can be difficult to manage the marks w/ a controller). A lot of the time they will say yes, please do... and so I just mark as I would on PLD. Marking doesn't mean you have to initiate, disrupt the flow of combat, or do anything outside of clicking between 1 and 4 button before a fight starts. Yes, a tank marking shaves a bit of time off the dungeon since they are usually the first to approach a group of mobs and can be marking as they initiate, but it's really not a big deal if you are asked to do it as a DPS. Just mark the first mob so the tank can initiate, and then number the rest before you jump in.

[stuscott]

I have the bind1 symbol marcoed into my Sleep skills as both a BLM and WHM for this purpose. Very easy to do.

[ruskie]

Try just bind it will cycle through thu numbers.