Wedding service in FFXIV

[quantumsaint]

You're playing an MMORPG and calling in game weddings nerd? lol come on now. Pot callin' kettle.

Quoting myself from my haiku thread...

Calling others nerds
On the FF forums here
Well, pot, meet kettle.

[elreed]

in game weddings are nerd ><

EDIT: go to New York and have a rl wedding

I knew i would be flamed for that LOL, im not against gay marriage, but in my op. in game weddings are a nice add, but not so important, come on your talking about getting married in a game wtf, i get immersion by playing a class doing the best i can in the heat of battle not in things like getting married or siting on a chair to talk about my aventures.

THIS IS A GAME....

[AdvancedWind]

in game weddings are nerd ><

EDIT: go to New York and have a rl wedding

>Calling others nerds on a FINAL FANTASY MMO forum
>playing mmos
>implying being nerd is a bad thing

[elreed]

Please stay on the subject

in game weddings are nerd ><

[Xeak]

I can't believe that someone would take the time to write a huge post just to bash on gay marriages ... especially when it's about in-game marriage. And I think this was already expressed, but what are the last three letters of MMORPG? It stands for role-playing game for those who don't know. So why can't players role-play that their gay? Or be who they really are if they're that way in real life?

[quantumsaint]

I'm reminded of Peter Molyneux(sp) talking about same sex marriage in Fable, he said it was easier to code it that way instead of going in and creating code to prevent it from happening. So what gets me is there was someone (or multiple people) on FFXI that had to go in and make that code before the wedding ceremonies went live. "Ishikawa! I need that if/then variable that stops same sex marriage from happening ASAP before the patch hits or Vana'diel will crumble!"

@ Chezen, see what I mean by level-headed? You posted something which as you stated, is bound to get you crucified, but you did it an a respectful way, voicing your opinion without instigating or antagonizing anyone. Thank you for that. Now a few thoughts...

Japan's low crime rate...they also have the highest suicide rate in the world. All that pressure to behave a certain way is not necessarily a good thing.

On homosexuality being aberrant...I'm a firm believer that is a genetic mutation...but that doesn't mean it's "wrong." We see this behavior throughout the animal kingdom, with dolphins, monkeys, dogs and many other high-functioning mammals. Yes, the status quo is to gravitate toward heterosexuality to propagate the species, but that doesn't mean the people that are born homosexual should be treated as less than equals because they're the minority.

And it is a genetic thing. To paraphrase the philosopher David Cross (mocking the viewpoint that it is a choice) "And it is a choice. Every gay kid sits in their room one day and says:

You know....
nobody likes me at school.....
and I really have a hard time fitting in......
I'm just so awkward.....
and I have no friends.......

but you know?
Maybe there's something else I can do to invite even more criticism in my life?"

Seriously, no one would willingly invite the negative stigmata and stereotyping associated with homosexuality.

[Chezen]

Anyhow, there are a lot of points in your post, a lot. This is not a place to discuss homosexuality, or how the family values of the world have come to a turd these days. Not really saying "you shouldn't have posted that!", it's just that there's no point in arguing since the thread would then most likely be closed and burned to the ground.

I more than agree with you. But you can't really just say, "I'm against this." for reasons Eugenics and replies already made clear. As I said when I started, this is a really complicated issue, which is why no one wants to tackle it. I tried the best I could to stay to the topic. Trust me, I could have gone further.

Correct. SE has no obligation to actually give us same-sex marriage between our characters, but if we are really forgetting our differences ,then what do you care if a male character has a marriage with another male character? I see no way in how it could affect you.

I do care, but to state why would further go into those complicated topics. For the purposes of SE, my official stance is LS can do what they wish, but official marriage by SE should just be avoided, which I expressed at the end of my post.

Nobody is debating this. But this doesn't really translate to the world in FFXIV. It's just an example, but most of the "problems" that same-sex marriage has on the real world actually don't affect the in-game world. Death of the human race? No reproduction in FFIXV. My religion? Heck, we have 12 gods in XIV. Kids with two dads in preschool? No kids in XIV.

Except that this is about agenda. I don't wish to outright point at the previous posts, but they are here in the thread. I don't really want to get into this one too far, because it's a very touchy area, that I know.

There, I just abbreviated your wall of text for everyone so they can know to just move on and not bother with the small minded post.

P.S. getting 'married' isnt special treatment. Its something everyone should have a right to do.

If I wanted a tldr, I would have made one. Please, if people don't want to bother to read my post, then there is little point in replying to it. And, if you did read it, you would see that it touched on a great many things. In otherwords, I think about a great deal. Which makes "small-minded" a bit out the window.

As for marriage, either you didn't read what I said, or didn't comprehend it. But as Kiazlu pointed out, really getting into that goes more into real-life society. Which is understandably a bit hard to separate in this issue.

@ Chezen, see what I mean by level-headed? You posted something which as you stated, is bound to get you crucified, but you did it an a respectful way, voicing your opinion without instigating or antagonizing anyone.
Thank you for that.

Thank you as well. I'm not out to hurt anyone, and I try the best I can to be fair, but I'm also strong in my convictions and beliefs. Not, however, without a lot of thought and reflection.

Japan's low crime rate...they also have the highest suicide rate in the world. All that pressure to behave a certain way is not necessarily a good thing.

This is very true, and I have thought about that as well. With all due respect to Japan... I think they go too far in the other direction, in which propriety overtakes individual expression too much. But America is on the polar opposite. Love, respect, stability, some individualism, but not so much you don't consider others around you, they are all needed. If you really think about what makes the earth tick, it's all about balances. Too much or too little of anything, things go wrong.

On homosexuality being aberrant...I'm a firm believer that is a genetic mutation...but that doesn't mean it's "wrong." We see this behavior throughout the animal kingdom, with dolphins, monkeys, dogs and many other high-functioning mammals. Yes, the status quo is to gravitate toward heterosexuality to propagate the species, but that doesn't mean the people that are born homosexual should be treated as less than equals because they're the minority.

I both agree and do not agree with this statement. Getting really clinical here... genetic mutation is rarely good, almost always it's a breakdown, not something better. It's not something you want to see in general. And getting into the animals... although we do have some similar genetic coding, some more than others, I really don't consider myself an animal... I consider myself a bit higher than that. While it's true some animals are capable of making some very intelligent choices, and even learning and passing down some traits that go beyond their instincts, it's still by far and large very different from humans. I expect humans to act with a higher level of thought than animals.

As for being treated as equals... I agree in the sense that no one should be looked down upon and treated differently simply because they are different. For homosexuals in particular, it's difficult because for many people, the first reaction is to be revolted, because it goes against their own hormones and genetics. That has to be hard, and it's no wonder a homosexual would feel shunned and unaccepted. At the same time, no one (this isn't American thought) has the right to cause disorder in a society that would negatively affect it. What I mean by that is, even if it wouldn't be a big deal in your world, if it pulls down society at large, it should be done without. This and more personal beliefs drive my thoughts on this matter, and quite a few others. We are all responsible to each other.

For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much. This has nothing to do with gay marriage or any type of marriage to begin with. I DON'T have a psychological disorder, YES I'm attracted to other men, NO it has nothing to do with my family, and NO it certainly is not my hormones acting up.

Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

Whether or not it is now is irrelevant. It came to light first in gay communities (in America), for a few many years. I was here and alive when it started and saw the newscasts first hand, not to mention it's fairly well documented.

Psychology is certainly not an exact science. You have people in denial, people who don't really understand thier own feelings, people who do know but won't admit anything... etc, etc. It's very hard to pin down something that can't really be put into facts, only generalizations. That's why psychologists make so much.

And it is hormones. That's what makes you attracted to anything in the first place. A chemical reaction that stimulates the sexual organs, triggered by something or someone. And that is exactly why marriage goes far, far beyond who "stimulates" you. But again, big subject that goes beyond homosexuality or the game.

And actually... I hate killing people, even in fake. I'm sure you haven't read my other posts, but I'm not too happy about PvP. But even in my protests on that one, it had as much to do with how it affects society and the community as it did game mechanics reasons. I do understand the desire to compete against each other, and in this game, it's really KO, not kill. So I think that's a little different anyway. Hopefully no one here wants to actually kill someone.

As for normal, I refer to balance of genetics in this particular case. And society is a large part of my points. This isn't about individual expression.

[Xeak]

Homosexuality isn't necessarily a genetic disorder. I know a guy who decided to date guys just because he was sick of the BS that he got with girls. I don't know if they had sex or anything, but I at least know they dated ...

[Ichi]

Even if SE refuses to allow same sex marriages, that won't necessarily stop players from doing it. When it's possible to sign items players will hold their own unofficial wedding for same sexes and trade each other signed rings. That's how it was done in FFXI (I knew a lot of gays, bis, and lesbians).

You mean to tell me there were gays and lesbians in xi who didn't get all self-righteous and preachy in a video-game and despite it they still enjoyed the game and found ways to do things their own way in the massive and beautiful world? Preposterous?!

[Roaran]

MMMMM Rogadyn & Highlander Couples..... If this allows Rogadyn to wear white wedding dresses, then I am for it.