How come this game got a mechanic to avoid trash mobs????

[Cap75]

DF is free for all, if most of the party wishes to SR I think the other players would either like to learn it, ask not to SR and have the party agree to it, or leave... But it's wrong telling you can't SR on DF IMO.

Simply: no. That's directly against SE's words and intentions. In fact forcing someone to leave or kicking them because they don't want to speed run is considered abusive and is actually bannable. Check out SE's statements in the other Brayflox thread.

DF exists for one reason: to help lower level players through dungeons. In fact, kicking anyone who isn't being abusive themselves is considered a reportable offense. It doesn't matter how much they slow you down. DF was supposed to foster community. Clearly it's failing miserably at that, but that was the intention.

[Razzle]

Simply: no. That's directly against SE's words and intentions. In fact forcing someone to leave or kicking them because they don't want to speed run is considered abusive and is actually bannable. Check out SE's statements in the other Brayflox thread.

DF exists for one reason: to help lower level players through dungeons. In fact, kicking anyone who isn't being abusive themselves is considered a reportable offense. It doesn't matter how much they slow you down. DF was supposed to foster community. Clearly it's failing miserably at that, but that was the intention.

Simply: No.
SE doesn't support players leaving mid fight in Bray Dungeon - Never saw they are against SR on DF. I agree with SE - Players shouldn't leave midfight.
Second Df does not exsist to help new players, it exsist for fast and easy party matching. There is a feature exsited in the DF to help new and low lvl players and that's the roulette.
And third, kicking for that reason is an abuse, I never stated it wasn't.
I think it's impolite and selfish to stay in a party where everyone but you want to run a dungeon in a specific way and expect everyone to play like you want to without trying to adjust and help contribute, and that's why I said that player should either ask and have the party agree not to SR, or leave (simply morality, I wouldn't kick him over it and I know many won't). If there is a party of four where 3 want to SR and one doesn't and he refuse to cooperate or refuse to try to SR and stays in the party - I think that's not a nice thing to do just like the opposite.

[Moirear]

I prefer speedrunning with people I trust, competent people; i.e. not when I'm using the DF and getting any random party members. I'll make an exception on the PF and hope that the people advertising for a speedrun there are up to snuff, and normally they are.

And this is the crux of the issue adressed by the TC: I believe a lot of people use the Duty Roulette for the bonus and put pressure on the other players to play it like they want it to be played. The whole idea behind the Duty Roulette was to fill in groups that needed extra players on the DF; and typically also help new players. When you enter a duty via the Duty Finder, especially Duty Roulette, you should always take care to figure out what the other people in the group want out of the dungeon. I make a point of asking people if they want to clear the entire dungeon, obtain all loot, or make it fast. When the group agrees to making it fast, I gauge their gear and maybe check their search info to see if they've played a lot of different jobs and have a good grasp of the game in general, this helps me judge how fast we can go, how much we can risk. Speedruns are a case of risk (wiping and ultimately taking longer than average or failing altogether) versus reward (fast completion for maximum rewards). There is no one single way to speedrun anything, even though there are some general conventions, again more reasons for me to prefer a private, closed group for it, and not involving any strangers.

I feel a large deal of contempt towards players who force awful speedruns in any dungeons without taking any of these factors into account (willingness, experience, and gear) that often do end up causing wipes and taking longer than a normal run where you kill most of the trash mobs, and moreso when they get whiny if things go wrong because of their own personal failure to properly assess the situation and the group.

I stopped using the DR lately because the people I'm encountering there are extremely frustrating. They disrespect and ignore the needs of new players or even bully them into speedruns or skipping cutscenes. There's little I can do to support a new player in Praetorium if 6 people want to speedrun it and give fuck-all about the newbie who's actually playing a Final Fantasy game to experience the story.

I'd wager that most players who are deep enough into the game that they have any need to speedrun anything can easily assemble full parties with LS or FC mates and do whatever the hell they want in any duty without bothering anybody else in the Duty Finder. I find it ridiculous how little respect they show their fellow players in a multiplayer game when they go into a DF party and feel entitled for everybody else to play the way they want.

Here's my appeal to the community: when you use the DF or DR, please go into it expecting to help someone else out, not yourself. That bonus reward was put there for a reason.

If you already do so: Thanks, and have a nice day!

[Ooshima]

Sometimes I wonder if it's server issue or what, seems like in Tonberry I hardly see such jerks.

In DF/Roulette no one rushes the tank. We just follow whatever the tank does, since it's like a "culture" thing that tanks sets the pace. If the tank avoids a couple of avoidable mobs, we'll follow. If he decides to kill it (like some of the really avoidable Dullahans in WP), we'll just kill it.

Sometimes in low level dungeons, the i90 synced tank ask the other players who are not lvl 50 if they want to skip mobs or they want to kill everything for XP. Really nice of them. Sometimes I really wanted to end quickly but if the dudes needs the XP I'll just kill it - anyways the moment I entered the DF I expected a 30-40mins run average.

And sometimes if the tank sees the correct party composition and that players are well geared, he will ask the grp if we want to pull multiple packs.

No drama mamas.