Atma Fate System Broken

[ApolloGenX]

Oh come on, you entered this thread trotting out complaints about trolls and swung right back into it almost immediately after responding to me. It's your go-to anytime you're at a loss for a reply. Games have had drop rates like this for years, I'll repeat.

Can you think of many examples where high end quests involved a large number of extremely low rate drops in low level areas that were non-tradable? Usually a quest might have very few... and usually the drop rate is pretty decent, moving you through the low level portion, if there is one. Even farming prayer shawl components in EQ (lower level... but the zone could be a little challenge).. was maybe an hour of farming for siren hair. None of this spending weeks on rng junk. You go in, do your time and move on through.

Even that was soloing, not this zergfest type setup. (Oh and you collected gems and stuff while doing it that made it somewhat nice) - and those weapons lasted MUCH MUCH longer... shawl, too. I hung on to both until PoP... that was a couple of expansions. But please... share some example quests -and rewards- you think are comparable.

[C-croft]

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You asked me to put it into words for you. Please, continue to prove me right. Your superiority complex is amusing. Of course everyone else feels they need to be right, but calling yourself a troll and then continue to do so is of your own choosing. Also, I do enjoy how you assume things, but it's ok. Seeing a tough guy on internet forums always makes me smile.

[Worm]

Can you think of many examples where high end quests involved a large number of extremely low rate drops in low level areas that were non-tradable? Usually a quest might have very few... and usually the drop rate is pretty decent, moving you through the low level portion, if there is one. Even farming prayer shawl components in EQ (lower level... but the zone could be a little challenge).. was maybe an hour of farming for siren hair. None of this spending weeks on rng junk. You go in, do your time and move on through.

Even that was soloing, not this zergfest type setup. (Oh and you collected gems and stuff while doing it that made it somewhat nice) - and those weapons lasted MUCH MUCH longer... shawl, too. I hung on to both until PoP... that was a couple of expansions. But please... share some example quests -and rewards- you think are comparable.

I guess Epics would probably be the best comparison. I only know about EQ1 from my brother playing it, but I feel like you're really downplaying how long some things took.

Anyway I'm perfectly happy to say the way in which these items drop is dumb. I have other posts where I say that. The FATE grind is bad, totally, completely. Though none of that is an issue with the drop rate, the disparity in RNG, or RNG itself. The design is bad but countless people are jumping multiple fences and going from that bad design to say 'RNG is bad' and don't tell me they're not because a guy literally going around the forums calling it "bad RNG".

Though lets not get ahead of ourselves with bashing the Atma grind in favor of EQ1. EQ1 had many low drops not necessarily as low as Atma but that's just because they were low spawn too. Particularly, my brother told me it took his Guild Leader a year to get the Vampire Essence for her Enchanter Epic. Since invariably someone else got their Vampire Essence on the first kill this opens up to every critique you made of Atma. Obviously you have to take into account that EQ1 had contested content and long spawn timer mobs. Which are things that if implemented in to this game, people would freak out about in the same fashion they're freaking out about Atma, and then we'd have to hear about how those concepts are fundamentally flawed, and I would still disagree.

As for tangential benefits you do get Seals and progress toward achievements while farming FATEs, it's not amazing but a reasonable comparison to the stuff you were getting while doing your Shawl.

You asked me to put it into words for you. Please, continue to prove me right. Your superiority complex is amusing. Of course everyone else feels they need to be right, but calling yourself a troll and then continue to do so is of your own choosing. Also, I do enjoy how you assume things, but it's ok. Seeing a tough guy on internet forums always makes me smile.

Tough guy? Calling myself a troll? What are you even talking about? You're just babbling at this point.

[C-croft]

Listen to you! You'd think the handful of trolls that got you so whipped up are the entirety of the opposition. It's amazing you have the gall to act like everyone who disagreed with you is running around calling people scrubs. It's even more amazing that you act like low percentage drops are something new to the genre.

This is you, as you continue to go after him. Even if he keeps coming back for more.

[Worm]

This is you, as you continue to go after him. Even if he keeps coming back for more.

Uh I'm not referring to myself there, champ. I guess this win is yours for making me eat up my post limit.

[C-croft]

Uh I'm not referring to myself there, champ. I guess this win is yours for making me eat up my post limit.

Cha-ching! Lol. Well to be fair, you have trolled a couple people in here, even if they kept feeding you. Although, I may have been on the same path as you my friend. ;-)

[Castillan]

Obvious trolls are obvious. If a troll is obvious after the 2nd response, they're pretty much a fail troll. As always, don't feed them. It's okay to leave them with their last words, because by then you can just trust that everyone else is seeing it for what it is, and it's actually the mark of the stronger person to just let them be and walk away. Just my advice for those getting caught up in it in this thread.

[Oldschoolegamer38]

Why don't we come up with a solution instead of stupid trolling and pointless banter? Why don't we present something to SE as a viable alternative instead of RNG? They made the game for us to play why don't we come up with some sort of viable solution to fix what we all know is broken? Something that would be fair, but at the same time will still have to work hard at for what we want? and in this case Atma crystals?? Ladies and Gentlemen the choice is yours! Either leave it alone and continue with this pointless and know problem with the game or do something to make it better not only for us but for future players as well...

[HumsterMKX]

Why don't we come up with a solution instead of stupid trolling and pointless banter? Why don't we present something to SE as a viable alternative instead of RNG? They made the game for us to play why don't we come up with some sort of viable solution to fix what we all know is broken? Something that would be fair, but at the same time will still have to work hard at for what we want? and in this case Atma crystals?? Ladies and Gentlemen the choice is yours! Either leave it alone and continue with this pointless and know problem with the game or do something to make it better not only for us but for future players as well...

You need to check back the forums when Atma was first released.

There are tons of ideas.

[Oldschoolegamer38]

You need to check back the forums when Atma was first released.

There are tons of ideas.

I have, and has the issue been fixed yet? I think it hasn't and that is why there should be more exposure by players and other public outlets to make SE take this issue seriously.