Atma Fate System Broken

[dragorian]

I didn't say that I did 20hrs straight. I said 20hrs over 3 weeks. I can't bear to spend more than 1hr at a time. As I said before, worked for me for my first 4 stones, been 3 weeks since, and nothing. It's a flat 2% chance to drop, you can get it on the first fate in a new area you go to, or you can NEVER get it. Right now, I'm 3 weeks into never....

well if you cant stand grinding for hours that atma wep not for you sry

[Kyriea]

If there was a trick to getting atma, Square would have given you some means of finding it out.

Obviously never experienced FFXI's treasure hunter...

[Slatervonjager]

well if you cant stand grinding for hours that atma wep not for you sry

People still have yet to realize that the atma/animus isn't the best weapon there is. I got my Artemis atma after about 25 hours total, and all it did for me was offer an item level increase. The atma isn't even the real issue, the books are a bigger problem then the atma farming is. you either drop the 1500 myth on a book, or you can gear up another class/zenith another relic.

[Ryans]

Honestly? I would be surprised if 2.25 doesn't do something to fix the drop rates.

Not that it bothers me any, personally, as I play a Warrior and none of the variants of Bravura have any Accuracy on them whatsoever, which therefore makes them completely and utterly worthless, but that is not to say I am without sympathy for people who have been grinding since day 1 of 2.2 to get their atmas and still don't have a complete set of crystals yet, because I do feel your pain. I eventually want to be able to complete the Zodiac weapon quest. Not for the weapon itself unless it allows me to put some accuracy on my Bravura, but moreso for the sake of completing the story of the Zodiac.

My fingers are crossed that something gets done!

You probably will be able to put accuracy on it once the stat customization comes out for the Zodiac questline.

As for the aforementioned list of times to get atma; does it work? Maybe. Does it lower your chances? Certainly not. There is definitely a possibility that the drop rate is increased during certain times and it isn't hurting anyone to have a placebo theory.

[Castillan]

well if you cant stand grinding for hours that atma wep not for you sry

Yeah, at this point, I'm just gonna go with you being yet another troll, 'cos everyone who plays can pull 5+ uninterrupted hours in a row, and not that this makes any logical sense anyway, because it's not a time based thing, it's a random chance, period.

Thanks for everyone else's input.

I'd be fine if it was like 50 fates per area, in order to get a stone. At least that way, the progression is knowable, and we can do it whenever, and it's equal for all. When it's just one mindless unrewarding unprogressive slog, that for the luck of the draw sees some people get 12 in 6 hours, and others still waiting 4 weeks/100 hours later (like some have reported), and this is for a SOLO weapon that we're not competing against anyone else for like with dungeon drops, then it makes just no sense, other than to be an artificial wall that blesses some, and punishes others.

[DaffyRoth]

2% drop rate? I would like to see your source on that bit of information. If anything.....I would say 0.5% to 1% chance to drop as I have gone as far as doing 150 FATE's in the same zone to get one to drop, but usually it hangs around the 95-110 mark. I don't care so much that they made them drop in FATE's, what annoys me is Lv Syncing.....I mean really, you come out of a Lv 5 Fate, you stub your toe and you are dead. But is it me, or does there seem to be less FATE's around? I think a better option at the very least would have made them high level zones that you can actually use your Lv 50 class.....but meh....for me I am done with trying to get atma weapons. I just don;t have the time to grind it out. All I ask is for a progress bar....perhaps a do 100 FATEs in each area and you get the drop. But heh....just my 2 cents.

[Kiara1]

It's fun how many posts there are complaining about atma. Every level 50 dungeon I do there's always at least one with the atma and today I saw someone with the animus. So I guess it's just you being unlucky. The system isn't broken since a alot of people have got their atma. Just cause you don't have it yet doesn't mean it's broken

[Aegis]

As for the aforementioned list of times to get atma; does it work? Maybe. Does it lower your chances? Certainly not.

Actually, it could lower your chances. If there is a similar pattern to Atma drop rates, but on a different rotation/schedule, this schedule could actually consistently keep you away from the 'correct' zone and lower your chances compared to just randomly zoning.

Personally, I think it's RNG. And yes, it sucks. But now I have my Atma weapon, I will fight to the death to keep the RNG low: If I had to suffer, everyone does.

[silentwindfr]

It's fun how many posts there are complaining about atma. Every level 50 dungeon I do there's always at least one with the atma and today I saw someone with the animus. So I guess it's just you being unlucky. The system isn't broken since a alot of people have got their atma. Just cause you don't have it yet doesn't mean it's broken

i do have the atma and did spend more of 1 week of farm for get it...do it means the system is not broken? not really, seeing people have one atma means nothing... we are almost one month after the 2.2 release. if in this period of time no one will have get any atma (especially with people farming them like crazy) you can be sure it will have far more complain.

people saying, "if you don't like farm don't do it" or "you are unlucky then what stop to cry a river"... are simply troll, sorry but that what it's called. they have get them qui te fast or like the nobrain activity of farm low level FATE that are zerg by 20+ people, breaking the challenge of the FATE, anyway, if a system is unbalanced and boring.. people must point it and say it. Grind and Farm are the level 0 of the difficulty and fun in the mmorpg. don't tell me in 2014 they can't offer stuff more interesting to do.

ohh before someone come and say: "yeah but in older game we was doing this" in old time human was enslaving other, do we must return to that time too? what we was doing in older game was good because it was older game, now we can maybe evolve and stop to simply copy paste some older game?

[Castillan]

It's fun how many posts there are complaining about atma. Every level 50 dungeon I do there's always at least one with the atma and today I saw someone with the animus. So I guess it's just you being unlucky. The system isn't broken since a alot of people have got their atma. Just cause you don't have it yet doesn't mean it's broken

That's precisely why it's broken. It's not an even/fair system. It's a system that blesses some, and shuns others, and for no other reason than "you're just unlucky". It's not even progression for all. It's just whether or not your were fortunate enough to get it, or you've gotten the raw end of the statistical deal.

Mind you, being a computer RNG, I just coded up a worst-losing-streak simulator on my Linux box, and simulated 1 billion fates

At a 2% drop rate (0.02) => 835 was the longest losing streak simulated by the Linux RNG
At a 1% drop rate (0.01) => 1701 was the longest losing (no drop) streak simulated

Even though statistically there's a chance you'll never ever get a single stone, the computer based RNG is basically suggesting that worst chance you can go for up to 17/drop_rate fates before getting a drop.

Question is, do YOU think it's fair that someone can be lumped with doing 1700 fates for a stone, while others are skipping along with having only done 20-50 fates before getting theirs? I guess that's a matter of perspective. If you were one of the latter lucky ones, of course you're going to say that there's nothing wrong with it. Try to imagine the person who's done 1700 fates for nought though...