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  1. #41
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    Kuwagami's Avatar
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Red Mage Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
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    Dumas's writtings may make them use rapiers, but real musketeers didn't use them ^^
    But I guess that for some people literature = history, so it might explain the confusion
    For people wondering, this is a musketeer :

    The sword is only decorative, and used in last resort to defend themselves in close ranged combat.

    In that regard, they were similar to the Ottoman janissaries.
    Dumas's story is historically irrelevant and was a fiction based on an other book, Memoirs of Mister d'Artagnan, Lieutenant Captain of the first company of the King's Musketeers by Gatien de Courtilz de Sandras.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deedsie View Post
    Since when was there a job system in XII?
    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...iac_Job_System
    there were 12 jobs there based on zodiac signs :
    Aries - White Mage - Focused on Rods and White Magick.
    Taurus - Uhlan - Focused on Spears.
    Gemini - Machinist - Focused on Guns and Measures.
    Cancer - Red Mage - Focused on Maces, and various Magick types, with exclusive access to Arcane Magicks.
    Leo - Knight - Focused on Swords and Greatswords.
    Virgo - Monk - Focused on Poles and capable of barehanded combat.
    Libra - Time Mage - Focused on Crossbows and Time Magicks.
    Scorpio - Breaker - Focused on Axes, Hammers and Hand-bombs.
    Sagittarius - Archer - Focused on Bows and Technicks.
    Capricorn - Black Mage - Focused on Staves and Black Magicks.
    Aquarius - Mononofu - Focused on Katana.
    Pisces - Shikari - Focused on Daggers and Ninja Swords.
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    Last edited by Kuwagami; 05-04-2014 at 02:39 AM.

  2. #42
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    lololink's Avatar
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    Nel Artux
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    Dumas's writtings may make them use rapiers, but real musketeers didn't use them ^^
    But I guess that for some people literature = history, so it might explain the confusion
    Except that it's more likely that RDM were inspired by Duma's musketeer than the true ones.
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  3. #43
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    Lin Celistine
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    Goblin
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    Dumas's writtings may make them use rapiers, but real musketeers didn't use them ^^
    But I guess that for some people literature = history, so it might explain the confusion
    - Which is a pointless Red Herring, seeming the primary inspirations for most of Final Fantasy's referential materiel is based off of mythological and early fictional literature.

    This is also why many also make references that the Final Fantasy Red Mage is diserative off of Spanish as well as French fencing inspirations.
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    Olwen Mercier
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    Coeurl
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyVaJedi View Post
    When I played in FF 11 I had my RDM job using a sword and shield as well.
    I'd say every RDM used sword and board (or dual sword as /nin or /dnc) when they weren't in a party and forced to heal/haste/refresh. HAD to at least have the light and dark elemental staves or be booted by some parties.
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  5. #45
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    Deedlit Blanchimont
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    Excalibur
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    HAD to at least have the light and dark elemental staves or be booted by some parties.
    Said parties I never joined to begin with. I refused to main heal. Blade always in hand.
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    Darth Sliver
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    Siren
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsprite View Post
    I think Hybrid class---> Fencer=wields rapier style swords and shields similar to what CNJ/WHM and THM/BLM use.
    add ability as RDM to turn on or off the Enmity+ so they can tank if needed but are not required to be a tank and I would be all over this job fast.
    I was trying to think of something that went with the description that Red Mages use both Black and White magic, wasnt sure how to fit the sword combating into the idea lol. I was reading the 5 pages in the thread and came up with a new idea for it.

    Red Mage: Hybrid Class that can be used as a Healer or DPS. Base Classes - New Sword wielding class with Conjurer or Thaumaturge being required.

    The most efficient Red Mage will use skills from all 3 base classes. But I add New Sword class because the current ones wouldn't work with Red Mage. Plus Red Mage would invite mixing the stats to be very useful instead of just sticking to one stat upgrade we usually do now.
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  7. #47
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    If a party kicked a RDM because he or she didn't have staff that is very childish.
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  8. #48
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    Tal Young
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Gladiator with Thaumaturge for Dark Knight (DPS.) Level 30 job skill Blood Oath changes bonus emnity generation into stacks that increase attack and magic power at the cost of doing DoT to self. The other 4 skills can focus on doing interesting things those stacks.
    Pugilist with Arcanist for Puppetmaster (Hybrid) with a ranged attack pet, an area control pet (paralysis, bind, slow, that sort of thing) or a support pet that hands out buffs and heals.
    Lancer with Gladiator for a Hoplite styled tank job. I don't think it has any precedent in FF but I still think it would be cool.
    Musketeer with main hand pistol and off hand rapier branching into Red Mage (Hybrid of DPS and support skills like Bard) and Chemist (Healer.)

    Hypothetical Scout class branching into Thief (not sure) and Ninja (DPS)
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  9. #49
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    Nel Artux
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LordSliver View Post
    I was trying to think of something that went with the description that Red Mages use both Black and White magic, wasnt sure how to fit the sword combating into the idea lol. I was reading the 5 pages in the thread and came up with a new idea for it.

    Red Mage: Hybrid Class that can be used as a Healer or DPS. Base Classes - New Sword wielding class with Conjurer or Thaumaturge being required.

    The most efficient Red Mage will use skills from all 3 base classes. But I add New Sword class because the current ones wouldn't work with Red Mage. Plus Red Mage would invite mixing the stats to be very useful instead of just sticking to one stat upgrade we usually do now.

    Why wouldn't GLD work for RDM ? They can have all the skills from the base class change to change the gameplay of the job. RDM don't have to use multiple stats he can have a buff that makes him use his strength stat for magic abilities.
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  10. #50
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    Goji Degotye
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    Twintania
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    Botanist Lv 81
    Geomancer seems pretty cool for Conjurer, but I hope my favourite FF job makes it to the game, which is Green Mage.
    Buffs/debuffs seem evenly distributed among all classes though, so I'm not sure if it could work, but I like supporting throught buffs more than simply healing and I hope a job like that will come eventually.
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