Community misconceptions in regards to Atma

[BloodPact]

100% agree on this. Heck, even the seasonal events are tied with FATEs. That's how creative SE is when it comes to things like this.

That's how the system was designed from the start; even before the alpha version, in the news releases they'd give regarding the development of A Realm Reborn, they clearly stated that all content taking place in the game that wasn't instanced would be in the form or FATEs. And so, it's probably here to stay, I'm afraid, at least until the first expansion.

[Dyvid]

No FATEs
No RNG
Sense of progress
Fun while obtaining

First off FATEs are apart of the game whether you like them or not. Second "sense of progress" goes hand and hand with grinding. The key feature I could see changing is instead of RNG, add a token to FATE that would be used to buy the Atma.

[IzumiRaito]

I think there may be a hidden purpose of the whole atma grind. It is to hold us, the players, hostage, so we start suffering from stockholm syndrome in hope of making us feel attached to this game. Same as all those ff xi hostages that come to this forum saying that waiting whole day to get in a party to do absolutely anything was exciting, or camping hnms with a bot, against other bots, for claim to get the very low chance of getting rare item was the perfect design choice and they so much miss it.

[Elim]

Personally, I don't use the term "vocal minority" very often. From my experience most people nonchalantly toss the term around in an attempt to invalidate opinions they don't agree with. We don't know the actual numbers on this subject. And just because someone doesn't post on the forum doesn't mean they like or dislike it; all we really know is that it means they don't post on the forum.

However, I do know what I think about it; even if I already have my Animus, it wasn't very enjoyable getting it. In the future, I hope they make upgrading it back to defeating certain primals, although I'm aware that path wasn't always liked either.

[wdrekx]

Things the community want to change
Things the community are NOT asking for
Easy mode
Atmas to be obtained faster
"Instant" gratification
Free Atmas
We want to earn it and this is precisely why we want it changed.

I agree up to a certain point with all these things brought up but only saying to not use RNG/Fates but still easy(accessible) enough for majority of the population and not providing some kind of alternative that doesn't make it Easy Mode/Faster/Instant Gratification/Free Atma is not really contributing or helping solve the problem. Doesn't have to be a perfect solution but i haven't encountered anything remotely that resolves this but doesn't end up as one of those things not being asked for. People still can't do Titan HM and that's an easy fight... what can you make easier to do but still not easy mode?

[Jinko]

Except they're not vocal first of all. The largest group is more likely the ones who just don't care either way.

Probably, however everyone cares one way or the other, weather they care enough to come on the forums and comment is something entirely different though.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Edited the OP because this is getting off topic from my main point.

[Gelesto]

Also, the argument that I can do it because others have is false. I'm at the mercy of RNG and no amount of me doing FATEs will make me more or less likely to get one.

How is it false? of course you can do it if other people have it shows its not broken and can be accomplished. doing more fates does make you more likely to get one, what are you doing? logging on doing a fate, get the normal reward then log off in a mood? if something has a drop rate akin to 5% you don't go well i did 20 fates and have not one! its clearly broken!
That is not how drop rates work you keep at it or do something else

[AmyNeudaiz]

How is it false? of course you can do it if other people have it shows its not broken and can be accomplished. doing more fates does make you more likely to get one, what are you doing? logging on doing a fate, get the normal reward then log off in a mood? if something has a drop rate akin to 5% you don't go well i did 20 fates and have not one! its clearly broken!
That is not how drop rates work you keep at it or do something else

When I complete a 1% attempt at something, my next attempt will be at 1%. This comes to mind to make my point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEiXEeBmIqU


If you still don't understand, I am saying that because it's RNG one can do it infinitely and still not get it done.

[Pandastirfry]

I think there may be a hidden purpose of the whole atma grind. It is to hold us, the players, hostage, so we start suffering from stockholm syndrome in hope of making us feel attached to this game. Same as all those ff xi hostages that come to this forum saying that waiting whole day to get in a party to do absolutely anything was exciting, or camping hnms with a bot, against other bots, for claim to get the very low chance of getting rare item was the perfect design choice and they so much miss it.

Funny thing I noticed is many of the FFXI Purists are also the loudest complainers about the Atma Quest.