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    By the community you mean the vocal minority? what about the people that don't stop mid farming to complain about stuff and just get on with What they want to do.

    If you want something you go out and get it, not sit about complaining because you don't have it already, if other people can do it so can you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelesto View Post
    By the community you mean the vocal minority? what about the people that don't stop mid farming to complain about stuff and just get on with What they want to do.

    If you want something you go out and get it, not sit about complaining because you don't have it already, if other people can do it so can you
    People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that
    Except they're not vocal first of all. The largest group is more likely the ones who just don't care either way.

    Also, even if you had those changes, especially no RNG, it just took a LONG time per atma, people would still complain because it takes so much more work than the original Relic. It's the same way people are complaining at the change to the gap between tome gear and coil gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Except they're not vocal first of all. The largest group is more likely the ones who just don't care either way.
    Probably, however everyone cares one way or the other, weather they care enough to come on the forums and comment is something entirely different though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that
    From my experience on the subject they are the vocal minority.

    The rest boils down to the people willing to do the farm and dedicate time and effort versus the other group of people that don't see an exceptional gain for the time spent farming and believe that farming the Tidal Wave weapon is overall the better option than getting the Animus weapon itself.

    Yet they forget that the Animus alternative will have future upgrades so while it's currently on par with its Tidal Wave alternative it will be way better in the future.

    So for people rushing the content and that raid the easiest route to the best gear is basically Allagan weapon > Tidal Wave > High Allagan. Which has nothing to do with the Atma's RNG. Since they are more concerned with the overall time investment for the stats they get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    From my experience on the subject they are the vocal minority.
    From my experience, vocal minority is always a pointless excuse. If you live in a country with 10 million people, do you expect 6+ million to stand in cities and protest? At best you might get 1.5 million of them in the biggest cities to protest, and at that moment it is just a vocal minority protesting even if the entire country felt the same.

    Fact is, there will never be a vocal majority on anything. Unless it is very small of course, like a party of 8 could have a vocal majority speak in favor of leaving a dungeon.

    Just wanted to say it since it is so annoying when people attempt to use vocal minority in arguments when it is the same thing as saying "I'm typing text".
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that
    people who dont like something - They speak up
    people who like something - don't speak up because they are pleased with what there is and don't feel the need to

    person A " Oh i don't like this porridge its too hot"
    person B " " just eats the porridge because they like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that
    As someone else stated, they're not vocal at all. How many threads do you see stating they like it? None or hardly any.

    The largest group are indifferent and don't care either way. I'm one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaels View Post
    As someone else stated, they're not vocal at all. How many threads do you see stating they like it? None or hardly any.

    The largest group are indifferent and don't care either way. I'm one of them.
    You realize you're agreeing with him, right?

    LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodPact View Post
    You realize you're agreeing with him, right?

    LOL.
    No threads = not vocal. No I am not.
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