Community misconceptions in regards to Atma

[SeekerScorpio]

Grinds and farms can be fun. Getting Insane in the Membrane was the most fun thing I did in World of Warcraft. I still remember tightening up my pick pocketing routes and memorizing pats.

Seeker, I just assume they're a poster whose first language isn't English and try not to mock them for it.

The simple fact here is that asking for it to not be RNG is actually asking for it to be faster, not much faster, but in the end anyone who would have went past whatever the linear progression you guys want is will have it faster than if they were dealing with RNG and went past that linear progression. RNG is by it's nature harder than token treadmills.

I was talking about mr 3k, not the one I'm quoting. Hooked on Phonics was a reading comprehension system not spelling/grammar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooked_on_Phonics

Knowledge is power.

After reading both again, your comment doesn't even correlate to either one. We throwing random comments?

[AmyNeudaiz]

So while yes you can do 500+ fates and not receive an atma the fact is that's a very unlikely outlier scenario

With a guess count of 10,000 players trying to get Atmas the odds of some of them not getting a single Atma in 500 fates times twelve (twelve Atmas) makes for quite a number of people getting screwed over by this quest.
In a fun game I wouldn't mind this but FATEs are generally not fun and people want to have fun in MMOs these days.

I'm sorry but you realise that the video you posted was always going to be head because the game developers programmed it that way
The Atma are not scripted to never drop are you oblivious to this point?

My goodness you are dense. Remove that point entirely since you apparently can not understand that it was a reference to statistical odds. Not an example of RNG.
What remains? My argument that people have constantly misrepresented the arguments of those against this quest which is the main point of the OP in which you have not even bothered to talk about. Good day sir.

people want the atma grind they can be carried through.

More proof that these people only have interest in misconstruing everyone's feedback.

[indira]

people want the atma grind they can be carried through.

[Worm]

I was talking about mr 3k, not the one I'm quoting. Hooked on Phonics was a reading comprehension system not spelling/grammar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooked_on_Phonics

Knowledge is power.

After reading both again, your comment doesn't even correlate to either one. We throwing random comments?

Jesus I misread your awesome hooked on phonics barb, holy shit I'm so sorry for this mistake. Maybe we could further analyze and work to understand this over dozens of posts?

[Oscillate_Wildly]

If I had to grind FATEs for a set amount of time and it required other meaningful and difficult or just grind-worthy content I wouldn't mind so much as long as I could see an end to it. Time consuming means something entirely different when you bring in the concept of RNG. Because its never the same for everyone, and when I get lucky and get one in half an hour compared to 7 hours, I don't feel like I've achieved anything or that I've overcome some giant obstacle.
I just feel relief that I can move on, or have the feeling that maybe the Atmas do exist.

The Animus books for example are COMPLETELY different and I love the idea of them. Compared to FATE grinding and luck, I can actually see set goals stretched out before me where I can set aside time to complete them. When it comes to the atma gathering I have no concept of how lucky I'll be, or if I'll spend another hour or two achieving essentially nothing. The time you spend with nothing goes towards nothing, and that's what sucks. I guess you get seals. Enough gil to port home. But it contributes nothing towards your progress.

[Worm]

Part of the fun is not knowing when you'll get it. It's amazing to me how many people 'love' the idea of the Animus books. They completely soured me on the whole thing, it's just a really long token farm with some camping FATEs built in.

[Rhysati]

I'm sorry but you realise that the video you posted was always going to be head because the game developers programmed it that way
The Atma are not scripted to never drop are you oblivious to this point?

No, you're the one that is oblivious. You've been told multiple times now that the video itself wasn't the point...it was the thing that the video was making fun of.

Statistically speaking if you have a 50% chance of getting an item, you may NEVER get one.

In the case of a coin, if I flip a coin 3 times in a row and they all come up Tails...what's the chance of the next one being heads? 50%(Well, roughly anyway.)
If I flip that coin 99 times and they all come up tails...what's the chance of the next one being heads? 50%

Every single time you get a roll, the RNG value needed doesn't change. So if you have a 1% chance of getting an item, you will continue to have a 1% chance on every single roll. Thus, you may never actually get it.

[Suellen]

With a guess count of 10,000 players trying to get Atmas the odds of some of them not getting a single Atma in 500 fates times twelve (twelve Atmas) makes for quite a number of people getting screwed over by this quest.
In a fun game I wouldn't mind this but FATEs are generally not fun and people want to have fun in MMOs these days.

I recognize that there will be a handful of people with bad luck on one of their atma grinds and will fall in this outlier. But what do you mean times twelve? Are you saying that this person with bad luck will get bad luck through out all twelve atmas? If that was the case it's implying that it would take them over 6000 fates to finish their grind. This is astronomically unlikely.

To use the simpler example of a person will do 6000 fates irregardless of if they get atmas. The chances they will have 11 or less atmas is 0.000000000000593%. Even if a billion people were working on atma farming the chances that any of these would fall under such an outlier is low. Is it possible? yes. Is it probable? definately not.

While I recognize that a person might have a string of bad luck when farming one of their atmas they could just as easy have good luck on a different atma. In the end it will likely even out with I'd guess some kind of normalized curve with an average at the half life of 70 fates per atma.

[Gesser]

I'm so glad you summed this up. So many people miss the point.

For SE's sake, I'll say it again... we just hate grinding lowbie FATE's... create a more meaningful grind or revamp FATE's to be more interesting (put in a lot more mechanics, randomization, etc.).

[OPneedNerfs]

It's always the same for all games who have incorporated extremely low chances to drops. The lucky few profit/gain an advantage from it and never worry again while the less fortunate wish for a better, more balanced system. However, because the more fortunate players haven't had the same experience, they get the mentality that the others just haven't put in as much effort or just don't want to let others progress like they did because then they wouldn't be special anymore.

Its pretty much what's happening in this game now.