Community misconceptions in regards to Atma

[Elim]

Personally, I don't use the term "vocal minority" very often. From my experience most people nonchalantly toss the term around in an attempt to invalidate opinions they don't agree with. We don't know the actual numbers on this subject. And just because someone doesn't post on the forum doesn't mean they like or dislike it; all we really know is that it means they don't post on the forum.

However, I do know what I think about it; even if I already have my Animus, it wasn't very enjoyable getting it. In the future, I hope they make upgrading it back to defeating certain primals, although I'm aware that path wasn't always liked either.

[wdrekx]

Things the community want to change
Things the community are NOT asking for
Easy mode
Atmas to be obtained faster
"Instant" gratification
Free Atmas
We want to earn it and this is precisely why we want it changed.

I agree up to a certain point with all these things brought up but only saying to not use RNG/Fates but still easy(accessible) enough for majority of the population and not providing some kind of alternative that doesn't make it Easy Mode/Faster/Instant Gratification/Free Atma is not really contributing or helping solve the problem. Doesn't have to be a perfect solution but i haven't encountered anything remotely that resolves this but doesn't end up as one of those things not being asked for. People still can't do Titan HM and that's an easy fight... what can you make easier to do but still not easy mode?

[AmyNeudaiz]

Edited the OP because this is getting off topic from my main point.

[Gelesto]

Also, the argument that I can do it because others have is false. I'm at the mercy of RNG and no amount of me doing FATEs will make me more or less likely to get one.

How is it false? of course you can do it if other people have it shows its not broken and can be accomplished. doing more fates does make you more likely to get one, what are you doing? logging on doing a fate, get the normal reward then log off in a mood? if something has a drop rate akin to 5% you don't go well i did 20 fates and have not one! its clearly broken!
That is not how drop rates work you keep at it or do something else

[AmyNeudaiz]

How is it false? of course you can do it if other people have it shows its not broken and can be accomplished. doing more fates does make you more likely to get one, what are you doing? logging on doing a fate, get the normal reward then log off in a mood? if something has a drop rate akin to 5% you don't go well i did 20 fates and have not one! its clearly broken!
That is not how drop rates work you keep at it or do something else

When I complete a 1% attempt at something, my next attempt will be at 1%. This comes to mind to make my point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEiXEeBmIqU


If you still don't understand, I am saying that because it's RNG one can do it infinitely and still not get it done.

[Gelesto]

When I complete a 1% attempt at something, my next attempt will be at 1%. This comes to mind to make my point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEiXEeBmIqU


If you still don't understand, I am saying that because it's RNG one can do it infinitely and still not get it done.

Thats right the % chance of you obtaining it will always remain the same you may grind for hours and not get one or may may do 1 fate and get one.
The video you posted is scripted to always be heads so that point is null and void
and as for doing something infinitely and never getting it is absurd,If you did something an infinate amount of times you get an infinite amount in return MATHS if something is RNG then it provides you with the chance of obtaining it, not the chance of not obtaining it

most of the people i have spoken with this evening have said they liked the random factor as a part of the atma relic stage, as it made them feel a sense of accomplishment, its always nice to get a rare drop but also felt the grind for Myth afterwards to be a pain, and the rest of people were not too fond of the RNG but find the myth grind for books to be better than that of the FATE grind.

People like content differently some like the grind with a chance of getting something rare and others like the certainty for the time they put in, 2.2 has both of these for the relic quest (and for Levi EX weapons).
Appreciate that others may not enjoy what you enjoy and that you may not enjoy what others enjoy

[AmyNeudaiz]

The video you posted is scripted to always be heads so that point is null and void
and as for doing something infinitely and never getting it is absurd, If you did something an infinate amount of times you get an infinite amount in return MATHS if something is RNG then it provides you with the chance of obtaining it, not the chance of not obtaining it

Also, yes it is statistically possible to never, ever, ever get something with even a 99% chance because that 1% exists RNG can fall on that endlessly. I am not here to debate mathmatics though, I am here to tell you that I am representing a portion of the community that does not like this and that most people who debate against it misrepresent our arguments.

I wouldn't even care if I was 1% of the community so YOUR argument is null and void in this thread.

To be further clear to you on a point you keep bringing up. No amount of "the people I come across" will change my opinion. Anecdotal evidence holds no water because I can turn around and say the exact same thing with the same level of authority.

[Gelesto]

Also, yes it is statistically possible to never, ever, ever get something with even a 99% chance because that 1% exists RNG can fall on that endlessly.

I see so its scripted that you never receive an atma, funny that with all those people with theirs.
if you do something endlessly you get an endless amount of results 1% x Infinity = the same as 100% x Infinity

although its rather amusing how your taking it rather personally and coming across in the process

[Zaels]

idk about you but i'm glad they're in low level starter zones where I can kill the FATE mobs in a few hits.

[darkstarpoet1]

wonder how long it takes the op to cry some more and start another thread on this same subject?