Feels good to play with people like this

[Kaze3434]

last night after getting tired of seeing the same "exp only, death=kick" on everything i made decided to pf with the exact opposite. it was for t5, and the majority of the people that joined had either only made it to conflags, or snakes. that was totally fine. i had made the party with that in mind. like expected, the first few trys were rough, but once we had a generally good plan, we got further and further. one of the people ended up quiting, so we left to replace and on the second try, we made it to dive bombs. all that we had to tell the two new people was how we were doing fireballs and conflags.overall, for 10 or so tries, we got pretty far, and more people got exp for the fight. everyone enjoyed talking with eachother and learning, instead of automaticly being expected to know everything and being ridiculed for not having the luck to have 7 other people(or a fc) that is willing to help them. i plan to keep doing pf like this in the hopes more people get experience in the fight, make new friends, and hopefully down t5.

[NefarioCall]

I've been thinking about just doing pf for everything and never using df again. Tome bonuses be damned.

[Gramul]

So...Kaze.
Does you icon look like this to you?

[Kaze3434]

So...Kaze.
Does you icon look like this to you?

yea my icon is messed up. aside from not showing me as a lalafell.

[Xerich]

Well, at the end of the day, this is a game and should not be treated as a secondary job.

I refuse to get treated as an employee or some second tier citizen by the "elite" in this game and would prefer to run with bads with great attitudes all day.

[Gramul]

yea my icon is messed up. aside from not showing me as a lalafell.

Weird. Hope that clears up for you.

Also glad to hear you're having fun in good company.

[ruinedmirage]

People learn from their mistakes? How the hell does that work?! I thought we were all supposed to automatically be blessed with the knowledge of every fight...

Seriously, though, a constantly rotating death = kick roster just naturally seems like it would take longer to finally get a win, than by communicating what to do and how to do it so everyone's on the same page in a fight. I really don't get this backwards thinking that dying = failure instead of dying equals = learning.

[LunarEmerald]

Turn 5 is one of those things you have to be patient on. You shouldn't always expect perfection. Even if someone dies to twisters, it's not a big deal. Twisters is late into the fight. If they learn how to dodge them (which isn't hard) then the fight is won.

[Ryuko]

I'm glad you found a group you enjoyed playing with. Everyone learns better when they can be upfront and honest about what they know. That is, they won't be afraid to ask questions or bring up problems so everyone can figure it out. I hope you have added those people to your friends list, as those people are the ones you will probably want to play with in the future!

I try to be 100% upfront and honest when I make a PF group so that no one is mislead. I'll be super specific, too: "Teaching one FC member T5; everyone else is experienced. May take a few tries." If people join and don't know what they are getting themselves into, they didn't read the comment. I refuse to join 'one death = kick' parties, no matter how experienced or 'pro' I am at a fight. I just don't like playing with those kinds of people, and everyone has that choice.

I run T5 'learning parties' on a regular basis (at least once a week) to help FC/LS/friends, and I usually throw up a PF comment about it too... so I am more than happy to help people when they need it. That said, it annoys me when people join a farming party and try to 'fake it until you make it'. I made one T5 farming party for people to work on their weapons... I wasn't a stickler and did not check achievements or force people to link a weapon. We wiped several times because of a WHM who swore he had won before. After we finally won (at least 30-40 minutes later), I saw that he got his first win achievement. I felt deceived, and very annoyed, because they essentially wasted our time. A situation like the one I encountered may just be what drives people to make the 'one death = kick' parties, but the important thing to remember is that a lot of groups that say that end up falling apart anyway. As always, attitude and willingness to adapt when it is needed > simple knowledge of a fight.

[Doo]

Repeat that experience over and over again every time you get someone new and it gets old fast.