Leviathan Extreme Mirror Drop Rate Too Low

[dejavutwo]

I've been hearing the drop rate for the mirror is approximately 3%, rounded up to 5% just to give a little bit of wiggle room.

Consider this: If you are not running Leviathan X with a static, you are going to be rolling against 7 other people if the mirror drops. So, your odds of getting a mirror are approximately 0.625% from a single run.

With a 0.625% chance, it will take on average 160 clears for a given person to get their mirror. Approximately 1 out of every 25 people will require over 500 clears to get their mirror.

That means, for every 3 groups that run leviathan, there is one person will take over 500 runs to get theirs.

Now, lets look at that in terms of time. Lets say each kill takes 10 minutes including loading buffing, and reset. On average, it will take 26.6 hours with a 100% kill rate, with the unlucky 5% (478 kills) taking over 79.6 hours.

Obviously, these numbers get worse if the drop rate is indeed lower, like I have been hearing - at 3% taking on average 267 kills, with the unlucky 5% taking over 796 kills.

Am I the only one that finds those numbers absurd?

[Zumi]

That is why I went for my relic animus weapon I am already done while I know some people are still trying to farm leviathan.

[LunarEmerald]

Yes. It's far too low. Too low for me to bother grinding. I'm not going to try for something unless I have a decent chance. Instead of a 2% drop, it should be 10%.

Atma has a low drop rate but if it drops then there's a 100% chance you will get it. Not true with mirror. You have a 1/8 chance. Grind for a 2% drop then a 12.5% chance of actually winning it. I don't think so, Square. I don't think so.

[dejavutwo]

Its incredibly disappointing, because I thought by working my way through the primals and actually doing something other than killing low level mobs would be a faster way of getting an i100 weapon, when ironically, killing the low level mobs is also faster and guaranteed once you get your atmas.

[MasamuneBranford]

I think people are failing to realize that players are not supposed to obtain everything in an MMO. The Leviathan weapon is mostly for vanity purposes. It's rare and not everyone is supposed to have one.

Spend 1300 Soldiery and you'll have an I-level 100 weapon that can be later upgraded to an I-level 110 weapon. At I-level 110, you are 5 levels under the current maximum i-level. Did everyone complain when their i-level 90 relics were 5 levels under the max? no. I-level 110 is completely fine and "barely" weaker than an I-level 115 weapon.

Spend your soldiery seals and upgrade to i-level 110. That's all you'll need. Everything else is for vanity purposes.

[Crater]

Yeah, I think they're too low. If you're capable of regularly killing Leviathan, then getting a Tidal Wave weapon should be considered significantly faster to obtain than an Animus weapon - which requires you to complete nothing that's any more difficult than the i55 Light Party dungeons - as a tradeoff/'reward' for being able to complete a moderately difficult fight. As it is, you can easily spend as much time on Leviathan as you would need to spend on going through the entire Atma/Animus rigamarole, and still never win a drop for a mirror.

It doesn't make sense to me that the Tidal Wave weapons are particularly hard to get ahold of in the first place. They're good, and they're cool, and they're useful, and everything, but they are still third-rate weapons, clocking in not only behind the High Allagan 'prestige' weapons, but also the un-Weathered Soldiery weapons. It's a little bit like if 2.1 required you to accumulate 10 Rowena's Tokens from the EX Primal fights, and then as a reward let you trade them in for the i80 Titan weapons. And while the Animus weapons are also third-rate, they carry the promise of being upgradeable again in the future. Tidal Wave weapons are only going to get more and more outdated.

[shoki]

yep i think they are too low too.
120kills, no mirror and if one would drop i would have to win against 7others ~.~

[dejavutwo]

Its not about "obtaining everything," its the work vs reward being out of whack. If something takes more skill, it should generally take less time - to a certain extent. I thought the whole point of Primals vs. Coil vs. Relic was to provide alternative methods of gearing yourself. They have coil for the hard core, primals for those that can't commit to statics, and Soldiery/Relic for everyone else. With this patch, I was under the impression the devs wanted more people to start working on primals/coil, but if the rewards aren't remotely obtainable, why is anyone going to stop killing those level 10 mobs to get near the best gear in the game?

[LunarEmerald]

I think people are failing to realize that players are not supposed to obtain everything in an MMO. The Leviathan weapon is mostly for vanity purposes. It's rare and not everyone is supposed to have one.

Spend 1300 Soldiery and you'll have an I-level 100 weapon that can be later upgraded to an I-level 110 weapon. At I-level 110, you are 5 levels under the current maximum i-level. Did everyone complain when their i-level 90 relics were 5 levels under the max? no. I-level 110 is completely fine and "barely" weaker than an I-level 115 weapon.

Spend your soldiery seals and upgrade to i-level 110. That's all you'll need. Everything else is for vanity purposes.

Not everyone has a good static they can clear Turns 6, 7 and 8 with. Without the mirror and without animus, you're stuck with an i95 weapon.

[Ooshima]

That is why I went for my relic animus weapon I am already done while I know some people are still trying to farm leviathan.

Exactly. I've only killed Levi EX 4 times for the fun.

And now laughing (just kidding that kind thou) at my primal LS mates who are still using i95 weapons and banging their head on mirrors. Some of them realized this earlier and started on their ATMA quest and only to find out that the amount of people doing it probably dropped by a whooping 80% and crying for help to clear the FATEs, lol.