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    Altijacek's Avatar
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    Phil Collins
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    Tossing an aero here and there

    I'm new to healing, actually just considering picking it up but I did it on a different character.

    I only got to level 30. I was just wondering, how difficult at endgame (ex primals and all of coil) does it become to toss an aero on the enemy every now and then? I rarely see healers do that and on ps3 it seems so easy. Is it mana problems? Or do things really get that intense?
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    You won't have the acc to reliably stick every Aero. Plus your Mana is better spent healing (if I had a dime for every pug WHM that did Holy spam in T4........)
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    The amount of DPS time you get as a healer is dependent on how comfortable you are with your skill and equipment as well as the skill / gear level of your party. Bear in mind that healer DPS is lackluster without Cleric's Stance and that upon activating Cleric's Stance, you won't be able to turn it off for five seconds (two global cooldowns). Additionally, Cleric's Stance likes to "stick", in the sense that it's hard to turn off and sometimes the button feels unresponsive. But clicking it too often may turn it off then turn it back on immediately, thus screwing you as well. There's a bit of nuances to Stance dancing that takes some time to practice and learn.

    However, Stance Dancing and DPSing is one of the most common ways to reduce healer idle time in over geared situations. For some people, the amount of idle time hampers the enjoyment so they enjoy pushing the class to the limit, while other are perfectly happy completing their role as a healer. Make decisions based on your comfort level and play style

    Quote Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64 View Post
    You won't have the acc to reliably stick every Aero.
    This generalization is false. Healers have perfect accuracy in all content outside of Coil (where your focus should be more about heals than DPS while you get comfortable with the content).
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 04-24-2014 at 04:16 AM. Reason: Character Limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    This generalization is false. Healers have perfect accuracy in all content outside of Coil (where your focus should be more about heals than DPS while you get comfortable with the content).
    Since the question was for Endgame, mainly Ex primals and Coil, he won't have it for Coil 1-5 nor Levi Ex. I've tried DPS as WHM before (even using some Astral accessories that had accuracy already on them) and noticed many misses in T2. Garuda, Titan and Ifrit, you can DPS, infact if you don't DPS in Garuda you're not using your 100% potential, and in Titan I focus on healing but I occasionally throw Aero and Aero 2 on the back Gaol where my partner healer is sealed Since all Titan is doing is lifting his leg. In Ifrit if you skip a beat then you could potentially let your tank die to triple fire breaths (I don't do the fight often enough to know exactly when those are coming)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64 View Post
    Since the question was for Endgame, mainly Ex primals and Coil, he won't have it for Coil 1-5 nor Levi Ex. I've tried DPS as WHM before (even using some Astral accessories that had accuracy already on them) and noticed many misses in T2
    Ah, I missed the bit about specifically end game (me reading much too fast). Having not done Levi EX, I can't vouch for how accuracy is like in Levi EX, but for the other EX primals, accuracy won't be an issue. I've personally found my accuracy better in T4 than T2 because I find T4 is more of a "kill all trash possible" pull versus the boss gauntlet of T2. I have noted an irritable amount of misses in T2 but not so much in T4. In fact, once I stabilize my tank in P2 and P5, my DPS adds quite a significant margin of damage to the Soldiers. I can count the amount of times I've missed Energy Drain on the Dreadnaughts in a single hand over the course of 15+ runs of T4 too.

    Mileage may vary depending on player and play style, DPS if you feel comfortable but don't lose focus on the main goal of a healer, especially in content designed to trash people, hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    ...but for the other EX primals, accuracy won't be an issue....
    Edited my post to better reflect this

    Oh and Levi Ex seems to have the same acc requirement as Twintania oddly enough. Good thing you healers are getting accuracy with your 2.2 equipment
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    Quote Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64 View Post
    (if I had a dime for every pug WHM that did Holy spam in T4........)
    The only time i EVER do this, is if the dps sucks even with the 10% buff and we wipe the 1st time. though if this little push the 2nd time around doesnt help, then the whole thing is doomed to fail anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legacy_Wolfwood View Post
    The only time i EVER do this, is if the dps sucks even with the 10% buff and we wipe the 1st time. though if this little push the 2nd time around doesnt help, then the whole thing is doomed to fail anyways.
    I've seen healers do this with awesome DPS before Echo. They ended up running out of MP quickly and start crying to the BRD for Mana song during P4/5
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    Quote Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64 View Post
    I've seen healers do this with awesome DPS before Echo. They ended up running out of MP quickly and start crying to the BRD for Mana song during P4/5
    Either your healers are bad or your tanks are bad (not using cooldowns properly). I use Holy all the time for the first set of mobs (and sometimes after the first dread if the group is doing well) and never have mana issues. If your tanks know when to pop cooldowns at their most effective times and your healers know to conserve mana and not overheal a tank (trust him/her to do the job properly), then a couple Holys here and there won't hurt you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    Lol what are you smoking?
    We all solo'd content as it was required for some quests etc
    In T5 because of echo we can do about 1300+ dmg or 1500+ crit.
    That's still a lot of damage that can be added to twin's health, the snake's health, etc
    With the new accuracy on healer gear; it's like telling us "guys don't be scared! More accuracy is on the way so you can dps!"
    Like the only times our cures/ buffs miss is when lag happens etc.
    Why else would there be accuracy?
    Remember though that healers and tanks have the lowest natural DPS. The upside for tanks is that they can take hits while DPSing. Healers on the other hand can only wear cloth armor. They NEED cleric stance to match caster DPS so that mobs die quickly before they land too many big hits. This is essentially why Cleric Stance exists, so givemeraptors is correct.
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    Last edited by Velox; 04-25-2014 at 03:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64 View Post
    Plus your Mana is better spent healing (if I had a dime for every pug WHM that did Holy spam in T4........)
    I use about 4-5 Holys in t4 and never need ballad. The key is to use Shroud immediately after the first Holy on the bugs in the first phase.

    Regen->Cleric stance on>Manual cast Holy->Shroud->Swiftcast Holy->cleric stance off>healing/standing around, maybe another Holy in cleric stance if tank didn't need that much healing. Should end with almost full mana again by the time the Knights and Soldiers drop. Shroud should be available again by the time the first Dreadnaught is dead. *uses shroud*

    After the first dreadnaught when the rooks and spiders come. Regen->Cleric stance on->Manual Holy->Swiftcast Holy->Cleric stance off. After that it becomes healing intensive and I don't use any more Holys. I usually have around 3200 mana when the second dread drops, and by the time the fight is over I never go below 2k. It's really just about knowing how to use Shroud in the beginning and using it immediately after it's off CD continuously through the fight.

    And yes, this is in pugs.
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    Last edited by JonFarron; 04-25-2014 at 03:46 AM.

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