ATMA ATMA ATMA

[Worm]

Unfortunately, this rng mechanic is the only way that people could do a completely skill-less and mindless task (it's leveling grind content, FFS)... and still claim that they somehow accomplished something.

Without the RNG, it would be an obviously insultingly easy task - with rng that players can't control... even completely skill-less an terrible players can pretend they "deserve" something more than someone else that doesn't have it.

This is not a test of skill... it is really an experiment on self delusion.

Weren't you just posting about how people saying getting their ATMA makes them superior are wrong? How do you shift from that from insinuating you're superior because you've seen past the veneer to the *real* truth? Honestly, I know it's luck, I didn't mind, I liked it. Part of that is not having abysmal luck. If you have totally abysmal luck you'll tend to not enjoy luck based games. Though all this crap about it being skill-less and no one who gets it really deserves it, it's just sour grapes. This style of content has been around a long time, posting some random wikipedia article like you've cracked the code is ridiculous. I understand you're upset but you're probably traveling beyond how bitter you should be about this grind. Granted it's only natural you'd get more bitter if you're taking as much troll bait on this forum as you were earlier today.

You cannot create a hypothetical 12 hour+ skill based grind, you know you can't. Having things be luck based is just a common tool in making something be scarce. I think it's preferable to a straight treadmill and agree there probably should have been some drop rate adjustment code to stop players from having 700 fates without a drop, but this unfocused belly aching about RNG in general is just silly.

[ApolloGenX]

If you have totally abysmal luck you'll tend to not enjoy luck based games. Though all this crap about it being skill-less and no one who gets it really deserves it, it's just sour grapes.

I'm not saying that! No, not at all! I am saying that anyone that does the quest technically "deserves" it. Whether or not they are rewarded with it is completely random- so to make arguments that those who have not gotten it yet "don't deserve it"... or to disparage them or their skills is completely unjustified, imo.

It's like a conversation about two people sitting at slot machines, one wins one doesn't... does one deserve it more than the other? Not really- they both played the game.

So, if you want to crystallize my opinion on who deserves the weapon, I would say everyone that has it, and many of the people who don't. That's just RNG for ya =-/

[razzgrizz3]

got them all in 12 hours and i still agree it needs changing.

what i find most amusing about this quest is that its not even new content, it is same content that was here on day 1. it is one of laziest instances of se patching to date imo. lets look at it shall we? you are doing the same old fates, in the same old zones, killing the same old mobs. after youve done all that and goten lucky 12x times you...
wait for it...
go and do some more of the same old fates (that spawn once every 4 hours), in the same old zones, killing same old mobs, going into same old dungeons oh yeah also now some more same old leves. just to qualify for this you have to run the same old dungeons you probably already ran 100s of times to gather up myth.

at the end of this trainwreck of a design idea you get the SAME OLD WEAPON MODEL. with a slightly different skin and glow colour.

[Roris]

Pretty much yeah, you end up doing the same old content packaged in the form of a book. The book FATE waiting is arguably even worse because you really can't do anything else except wait for hours and hours, unless you kill other nearby FATEs meanwhile for seals if you aren't already capped from the other million FATEs you had to do for your Atma. I'm hoping the next steps will have unique challenges and enemies to fight created specifically for the quest, but seeing how this game keeps rehashing a lot of its resources over and over and over again it probably won't happen.

[Zaiken]

It just gonna get worst when most people have their Atma Weapon already, some Fates such as Boss is not possible to solo and take very long.

[DrDetox]

i actually enjoyed the atma grind it was a nice change up from extreme mode primals ^.^

[Kewitt]

I have 5 my hubby has 2, we haven't active farmed any of them yet.

[Felis]

Maybe a hybrid system, with both random and guaranteed drop
Still random drop from FATEs, but with a 100% drop if you did the 250th FATE with a Zenith weapon in the zone.

Like it was with the relict quest during 1.0 and the 17 minute speedrun to get the quest items from Cutters Cry and Aurun Vale with a 100% chance.

[Airal]

Naoki Yoshida states that the Zodiac Weapons are a form of upgraded Relic Weapon which will take a considerable amount of time to complete, and will be upgraded in the form of phases in each patch. Yoshida goes on to mention that not many players will have the first phase completed before the second one launches in 2.25, and that this is a very overtime goal for players to work on and that their viability as future weapons will remain for some time.

If this means that the weapon from the end result in 2.25 is better/equal to the High Allagan weapons, is it time for the hardcore raiders to complain that their weapon is too weak and should be stronger than something that someone grinded for instead? I feel like SE doesn't win in either case because someone is always going to dislike the system.

The RNG part of it is going to cause both extremes to occur simply by how RNG works. Some people are going to get lucky and get stuff done very quickly. RNG can work as long as it's on a controlled scale, though I'm not really sure how controlled this is. At least in a loot table you know your full range of options.

Whether or not this continues probably depends on the server populations and who's where in terms of quest work as well as which populations are willing to go through this multiple times.

[Worm]

I apologize if I was putting words in your mouth. It just seems like there are number of posts where people are just trying to somehow diminish anyone who has the weapon. I realize you were referring to certain posters who are perhaps giving themselves a little too much credit. Though I still maintain that you should remember that guys like that are really the minority. I got my Atma, luck played a roll, I'm happy I got it, and I feel good about it and I feel like I accomplished something. It's no more than that.

Just because some guy on the slots next to you said you're losing because you're not trying hard enough doesn't mean you call the next guy who wins while sitting next to you an asshole. I feel like a lot of that is going on right now on the forums. It's an especially contentious issue, because people seem under-informed about how soon it's going to receive a nerf and think they're fighting for some kind of hotfix that would come before that. Of course they won't hotfix something that has a planned nerf coming at the end of the month.