2.2 Feedback. RNG, Atma, Mirrors and the lack of response from the dev team/Yoshida.

[Rose-Wild]

So when 2.2 came out i made a rant about the atma quest. Now it's one of the biggest topics in the forums and we still haven't got any response from the dev team.

It's been a while since i got my weapon, so now i think i can properly discuss about it.

So i'm the leader of a free company, at this moment i have a lot of free time so i can afford doing this kind of quests, but because i have the time that doesn't mean that i should spend it doing boring stuff.
This quest is an insult to the players of this game, sometimes i even feel sad for actually spending my time on it because i'm sure that there's way better stuff that i could be doing instead of that.

But not everyone has the free time i have. For example one of my members can't even think about doing the quest because she has to choose between spending her time on coil and running dungeons for soldiery or doing the atma quest.

I really doubt that the people that have little free time want to spend it fate farming when the players have been clear with the fact that they don't like fates, and that is making a lot of people quit the game or think about doing it.


But the issue doesn't stop there. The books take an insane amount of time to get because they have an execive cost of 1500 myth tomes. That's 30 Braiflox speedruns x9 to get all the books + the time you spend doing the books, and the books are just content that was already in the game and it's forcing you to do fates that sometimes take hours to pop. Lazy design.

And people will say: You can choose not to do it, and that there's more ways to get other weapons.

Well here you would force me to discuss the other issues with the weapons of 2.2.

So the casual player base at the moment doesn't have any chance to run the new coil, and with luck maybe they can get Leviathan down, so at the moment the biggest content they have is the relic and that is a lot of time for a casual player so they are left out.

The mirrors to upgrade the leviathan weapons are way too rare, in like 100 kills i saw one and i was lucky enough to win it... RNG is unfair the token system that the Primal focus has is way better. We should have a weekly quest for mirrors. Or a quest to be able to buy a weapon and then an extra week to obtain the mirror.


Most players don't like RNG, they want rewards for their time, even if it takes more time if you have a goal then it's fine. But with RNG you will never know if you will get anything at all. It's like gambling, and that's bad. This issue is present in coil because a lot of pieces can drop from the same boss and you will probably not see them even if you run the content for months.

So the casual player base at the moment doesn't have any chance to run the new coil, and with luck maybe they can get Leviathan down, so at the moment the biggest content they have is the relic and that is a lot of time for a casual player so they are left out.

The mirrors to upgrade the leviathan weapons are way too rare, in like 100 kills i saw one and i was lucky enough to win it... RNG is unfair the token system that the Primal focus has is way better. We should have a weekly quest for mirrors. Or a quest to be able to buy a weapon and then an extra week to obtain the mirror.


Most players don't like RNG, they want rewards for their time, even if it takes more time if you have a goal then it's fine. But with RNG you will never know if you will get anything at all. It's like gambling, and that's bad. This issue is present in coil because a lot of pieces can drop from the same boss and you will probably not see them even if you run the content for months.

In my opinion the solution for this issue are token systems like the ones in place for the weapon upgrades from coil. Or the items to upgrade the soldiery gear.

I'm going to be honest i think i'll keep playing this game for a long time but i'm worried about the amount of people leaving because of this stuff.... And the devs ignoring this problem is not helping at all.


Sorry for the multiple posts but i din't know any other way to post everything in one go with the 1000 character limit. Also sorry if my english is not good it's not my main language.

[Rose-Wild]

Moved to the main post sorry.

[Rose-Wild]

Moved to the main post sorry.

[Rose-Wild]

Moved to the main post sorry.

[Xatsh]

It is a mmo this is the first patch with content that last more then 10hrs a week.

If people do not want to grind do the million of other things this game has to offer. Do coil and get that gear and the weapons from there. Farm the 4 man dungeons. Kill moogle and levi for weapons and neck peices.

You do not need the mirror or the atmas to get the BIS gear. That is an issue in itself but still. SE made the grind a subpar option (in terms of rewards) for progression for those who want to do it.

Just because some people do not have time others have an over abundance of time. People need to stop expecting gear hand outs. If you do not have time to grind it out in a week. 1) Do it slowly or 2) start dedicating more time to the game.

A MMO should never be catered to those who cannot play alot, it should always be desiged with those who can play a ton. That way there is enough content for everyone... not just the weekend warriors.

There is a ton of stuff hardcores hate about this game... now there is 2 things casuals hate. Atm the casuals are still getting the great majority of the content. If everything was a long grind then this argument would be more valid. Everything else has 100% drop rates.


Oh and as for the post... Just edit it and there is no character limit.

[C-croft]

ewww, edit your OP and then you can break past the 1000 character cap.

[Rose-Wild]

The issue doesn't come with the content being long, the issue is the lack of real content. The Books and the atma quest is stuff that has been in the game since it came out. You totally missed the point of this topic. Give me long and fun content and i'll be happy but this stuff is not fun, doing Leviathan ex 100 times without getting any reward gets old pretty quick.

[Phe]

My Yoshi-P, why have you forsaken me?

no, in all seriousness, i pity every cursed soul thats actually falling prey to this pathetic timesink for dozens and dozens of hours.

[Gelesto]

My porridge is too hot

[Xatsh]

The issue doesn't come with the content being long, the issue is the lack of real content. The Books and the atma quest is stuff that has been in the game since it came out. You totally missed the point of this topic. Give me long and fun content and i'll be happy but this stuff is not fun, doing Leviathan ex 100 times without getting any reward gets old pretty quick.

Have to define long fun content I guess. Farming soldiery in 4 man dungeon every week is far from fun as well.

What is fun for some is hell for others.

Although I actually agree fate grinding is a nightmare nothing fun about it. SE just need to remove fates from the game or just stop developing content based around them. I cannot honestly name 1 person I know in game who likes fates in the least.

I like the long lasting content, I hate its current implementation. I see this patch actually as a step forward in making content for everyone not just the ultra casual players. They just need to stop using fates and low level dungeons.