Thancred <spoilers>

[faris]

OH YAY A PLACE TO PUT SOME THOUGHTS I'VE HAD FOR A WHILE WITHOUT MAKING A NEW THREAD YAY
...okay here I go.

I'm... all kinds of annoyed regarding Thancred's portrayal in 2.0. He was easily my favourite character in 1.0 and I can see why he's getting so much screentime in 2.0, due to his popularity from 1.0. But is it just me that thinks that this... version(?) of him is no way near as awesome as he was in 1.0, more like a really, really pale imitation? 1.0 Thancred was so cleverly written and really intriguing as a character, and 2.0 Thancred just seems to fall into the chasing girls and failing miserably trope, like every sideline FF character ever. Just to clarify, I'm not angry about the 2.0 main scenario stuff. It showed a character weakness of Thancred's, envy, and a very real sense of mourning over Louisoix turning into "I can't do what he did." Ascian!takeover because of that getting 10x worse because of us turning up is completely A-OK with me. Every character ever has weaknesses, and that's his.

What I'm angry about is the fact I loved the mystery about the man in 1.0. (like it never really being explained how he destroyed Neille at cards, nor why he could go into the Calamity Cometh echo with you, or why he was after power from 1.0 Hydaelyn or even how he seemed to know Raubahn Aldynn - much less theorycraft I have regarding why he quite literally saved your life when Gaius van Baelsar would certainly have killed you in that mushroom cloud explosion.) The Sharlayans, in 1.0 were guides more than anything - they seemed to be putting you on a path - only turning up when you needed a little bit of guidance/pushing - and as a result seemed very intriguing because their origins and their gameplan seemed to form a higher purpose.

In 2.0, and with being shoved with Minfilia (who IMO is still the most irritating, entirely and utterly pointless NPC in FFXIV, 1.0 or 2.0) in order to give Minfilia and the Path of the Twelve an actual purpose and relevancy to the storyline humanizes them, and the Sharlayans have really, really suffered from being humanized. Their presence is expected now, and it ruins a lot of their ~magic~, Thancred being the most profound example. In 1.0 he arrived when you least expected it, kicking ass and taking names, "romancing" people for the sole purpose of information gathering and just generally being awesome - and in 2.2 in particular he's more comedic relief with his sudden (and weird) crush on F'halminn - even though he should well know the guy she actually loved died but is in some kind of weird statis, and she never married a string of suitors which came knocking, the miner twins or Neille's brother.

It just doesn't make sense.

2.0's story seems very sloppily put together, (example: and if the writers are the same as 1.0, I'd be completely shocked tbh. Everything just feels so different.) with examples being Thancred's ... sudden Limsan-ness. In 2.2, it's stated that he was Limsan, and a chance meeting with Louisoix made him join the Circle of Knowing. BUT in the same game, in the second Ascian cutscene even (the one with the Sultansworn) He distinctly says that Sharlayan is his homeland. Idgi SE, part of me wonders if they can even keep track of what's implictly stated anymore.

[Falen]

Two things I want to agree with and clarify;

Bard =/= bard; the difference in capitalization is important and even in the Bard storyline it's shared that separate "bards" were made after the discovery that voices could possibly produce magic, but since that separate corps. did not actively engage in battle and did not gain the magic abilities of the arrow-slinging variety. This also comes in with Scholar =/= scholar; capitalization is important to distinguish.

Gladiators in 1.0 had throwing knives, which is why Thancred did too, back in 1.0 and certain cutscenes. I feel like his story in 2.2 was adequate to segue into a new class and job, although I hope they make a distinction between the daggers and knives of Gladiators and the knives of Thieves(?) beyond just "which direction is the pointy end facing?"

[Magis]

Two things I want to agree with and clarify;

Bard =/= bard; the difference in capitalization is important and even in the Bard storyline it's shared that separate "bards" were made after the discovery that voices could possibly produce magic, but since that separate corps. did not actively engage in battle and did not gain the magic abilities of the arrow-slinging variety. This also comes in with Scholar =/= scholar; capitalization is important to distinguish.

Gladiators in 1.0 had throwing knives, which is why Thancred did too, back in 1.0 and certain cutscenes. I feel like his story in 2.2 was adequate to segue into a new class and job, although I hope they make a distinction between the daggers and knives of Gladiators and the knives of Thieves(?) beyond just "which direction is the pointy end facing?"

Seems THFs duel wield while GLD use it one handed. Thancred picks up a second dagger and switches to THF mode. Wonder how SE will figure this out (Thief only daggers? A new equip slot?).

[DoctaruRavenbe]

Probably dual daggers for the Rogue Class and its Job specific form. it will be like fists equipped in one slot but shows up on both hands

[Magis]

Probably dual daggers for the Rogue Class and its Job specific form. it will be like fists equipped in one slot but shows up on both hands

Problem is there is already a dagger weapon in game. So are we going to have 1 dagger and 2 dagger types? Maybe it will be rolled into just one type, duel daggers.

[HumsterMKX]

Problem is there is already a dagger weapon in game.......Maybe it will be rolled into just one type, duel daggers.

Hopefully not... preferred the FFXI handling of dual wield.

Then again with all the PS3 limitations, I dunno...

[Vejjiegirl]

Problem is there is already a dagger weapon in game. So are we going to have 1 dagger and 2 dagger types? Maybe it will be rolled into just one type, duel daggers.

They could always remodel the dagger weapons already in the game into sword weapons instead, and then give those daggers previously in the game to the thief class.

[PArcher]

They can also have THF use Knives, GLA use Daggers.

Knives will be like the PGL weapons, showing up in both hands for dual wielding, while Daggers are one-handed.

[DoctaruRavenbe]

Well I see it as Axes for Botany and Great Axes for Marauders. But in this case its not a size difference but a number factor.

[RickiFake02]

It wouldn't be that hard to distinguish. As it is now, CNJ and THM essentially use the same weapons, but for CNJ they call them wands or canes and for THM they call them scepters or staves.