Aurum Vale difficulty...you don't get book credit if you are dead FUN

[RazeLandale]

They tried that. It's called Pharos Sirius. Didn't end well.

I think it'd be fine if you tiered it properly and didn't force it on people randomly. It looks like the direction they're going is each patch has it's own tier in the duty finder. So if they make some harder dungeons and put them all in a 4 star roulette everyone knows what they're getting into. If you want to take it easy on a given day, you don't do that roulette. So long as there's no praying you get brayflox hard and then rage quiting when you get stone vigil hard it's fine. You just take the brayflox tier instead if that's what you want.

[PArcher]

and Dzmael Darkhold are both more challenging than any of the lvl 50 dungeons or the new HM for that matter.

DD is hard? I question that. A lot.

I find DD really easy. In fact, I ran it last night and had no issues whatsoever. It just takes time to do. I was tanking, and the only thing that I had to do "differently" was have everyone stand away from the mobs after the first boss so I could pull things to them without pulling the frogs on the cliffs. We even pulled way too much stuff in the room before the first boss and didn't die somehow. Only death happened on the last boss when the BRD derped, twice...


As for AV, if people know their roles, and know how to deal with mechanics, its an easy dungeon. Again, it just takes time.


"Off-topic"...if post-50 dungeons had gear-sync (say, the Hard roulette having a max of i70, Expert i80, and so on) they'd be a LOT harder. Overgearing is what makes them easy, not the dungeons themselves.

[Mysteltain]

DD is hard? I question that. A lot.

I find DD really easy. In fact, I ran it last night and had no issues whatsoever. It just takes time to do. I was tanking, and the only thing that I had to do "differently" was have everyone stand away from the mobs after the first boss so I could pull things to them without pulling the frogs on the cliffs. We even pulled way too much stuff in the room before the first boss and didn't die somehow. Only death happened on the last boss when the BRD derped, twice...


As for AV, if people know their roles, and know how to deal with mechanics, its an easy dungeon. Again, it just takes time.


"Off-topic"...if post-50 dungeons had gear-sync (say, the Hard roulette having a max of i70, Expert i80, and so on) they'd be a LOT harder. Overgearing is what makes them easy, not the dungeons themselves.

Agreed on both the difficulty of DD and level-syncing 50+ dungeons. I still don't know why they haven't added an iLvl-sync to those dungeons...well, I guess I do: people will complain about how they don't feel powerful anymore, or about how long it takes to get through them now that they can't farm them in 20min. But then people complain about how they're too easy and blah blah blah. No pleasing anyone, I guess.

[givemeraptors]

Honestly find Stone Vigil and Aurum Vale harder than the 1st three turns of coil.

Impossible to overgear, meaning you're forced to accommodate all the mechanics built in. Stone Vigil has some nasty patrols walking around that can easily cause a wipe if you aggro them too early. Aurum Vale is easier imo, but can become a nightmare for the whole party if just one person screws up.

[Eidolon]

People were freaking out a bit at first about Ruins of Ampador. The dungoun itself is a good example of fun mechanics, though.

DPS the gormund's belly to quickly break your friend out.
Tank co-ordinating with DPS to recieve the highest stacks of the debuff (We actually had a DPS take a debuff at one point, and he had to off-tank while we quickly nuked another one)
Coordination of Doors, smart positioning of bursting AoE's on Diabolos. As dragoon, I often can solo-handle this, but I imagine it would be a lot harder for a party that's not very... smart, about how they handle it.

Fun mechanics like this, that aren't mindless like FATE grind's 1-2-3 gameplay, are what I love to see.

[KaitlynOfOz]

*snip.

What is great about that dj (Amdapor) is that there are other mechanics in there as well. Not only can you DPS the belly to break him out, you can actually pass the Prey, like pass the Rot in T2. This can, in theory, prevent the swallowing all together (although haven't seen it done, but I did manage to be a pita and pass it to the healer who then got ate XD). Also if you pass, just like with rot, you get a debuff that makes it so you can't be preyed again for like 40 seconds.
Additionally the debuff that the Gremlin trash applies (Misery - that increases damage taken) can actually be dispelled by doing the /comfort emote on the affected player if you are close enough! (the consolation removes the misery). These are neat little mechanics that combined with the music of the dj in general make it one of my favorites (along with most of my fc). Hard mode for that dj is going to absolutely amazing and with luck, super fun.

[Elim]

One thing about this dungeon is you need a competent healer. Not a good healer, I really mean just competent one.

I healed it for my book, so it went smoothly. No wipes or deaths. Easy even with PuGs that took way more damage than they should have. If anyone is having trouble with this instance I suggest grabbing a FCmate to heal it for you.

[KikInperi]

For AV bring a BLM to AOE the pods on the last boss as soon as they spawn and then it's super easy. I've only ever had trouble with this dungeon when we didn't have a BLM

[PArcher]

For AV bring a BLM to AOE the pods on the last boss as soon as they spawn and then it's super easy. I've only ever had trouble with this dungeon when we didn't have a BLM

You don't need a BLM. A WHM, DRG or BRD can do it just as well. The only real potential for failure would be 2 SMN and a SCH, but if everyone Shadowflares, Miasma 2s and Banes, things should die fast(ish)

[KikInperi]

You don't need a BLM. A WHM, DRG or BRD can do it just as well. The only real potential for failure would be 2 SMN and a SCH, but if everyone Shadowflares, Miasma 2s and Banes, things should die fast(ish)

I didn't say you needed a BLM, just that if you're having trouble a BLM will make it easier (for the record, of course I've beaten it without a BLM).

And you can't shadow flare in Aurum Vale... or feasibly bane all the things before they hatch.