Brayflox's Longstop (Hard) SR

[Delvish]

So this is the third time this has happened to me and each time unsuccessfully. Is it me or my party?

Popped into DF today, and my PLD attempts to take off without protect (does it himself before engaging). Once I finally finish my initial dungeon ramp up (Aetherflow, Protect, SS, summon, etc) we take off and he pulls from the start of the map all the way to the ramp into the forest. Then we stop to kill everything. Off of memory, that would be... ~12 expert level mobs simultaneously? Is this standard procedure for anyone else?

I blow my CDs, tank blows his. We all still die. I didn't check their gear, but off of memory the tank had an Allagan sword, BRD had relic+, and BLM had moogle rod. I myself have my SCH relic+ and around i89. If it was just one occurrence, I'd say someone wasn't pulling their weight or wasn't geared properly, but this is the third of three attempts at this technique so I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something wrong...

[Ghishlain]

I don't think it's you. Based on your Lodestone, I do SR Bray HM with a similar ilvl and gearing on WHM. If the PLD is decked out in full i90, I'd be tempted to say the DPS is lacking. Moogle Rod BLM indicated to me around i75 range which means the BLM might be slightly lacking, but should still be doable.

I was doing this the other night with WAR (i85+), SCH (i85+), DRG (i90), and BLM (i81 - me) with no issues, and our AoE DPS will be slightly less versus a BRD + BLM combination, but were able to clear with no issues. As long as heals and tanks are using their CDs properly, I would say it's the DPS not burning hard enough.

Without knowing your play style, I would suggest using Swiftcast + Shadow Flare can potentially help with the damage mitigation and using Selene over Eos can also help the DPS burn faster.

[Delvish]

I was using Selene, though I did choose Sacred Soil over Shadow Flare once E4E wears off. Next time I'll try SF first then replace it with Sacred Soil. Good advice!

[RhazeCain]

There are 12 creatures between entrance and 1st boss gate (not counting the ones off to side that you shouldn't go near). Standard speed run (the way I do it at least) is to kill 10 of those at once, then use the barrier to lock out the last 2 from boss room.

Not sure how your tank tried to do it. For DF, I often split it into 2 pulls as well. Just because randoms may not be able to keep up with a full speed run.

Then pull 9 at once after 1st boss.

[Ghishlain]

If you want added mitigation, start with a Sacred Soil, then use Swiftcast + Shadowflare then Sacred Soil again for a full minute of fun.

And as Rhaze mentioned, if you're pulling the Rafflesia and monkey just outside the boss door, don't go that far ( I might've misread your initial post ). Stop at the base of the ramp leading up to the forest. The remaining two mobs can be locked out easily enough (monkey is ranged, Rafflesia can be slept.) Rafflesia can be very dangerous because the poison tick it has seems to be quite potent.

[Delvish]

Yea, we stop just shy of the two forest mobs, but up the ramp so the gobbie machine doesn't bother us. Next time I think I will try to use my CDs a bit more judiciously.

[Sessurea]

Sounds like the tank isn't holding agro off of the dps? (due to either technique or gears ) Or the dps arn't managing agro correctly/attacking mobs the tank hasn't picked up? A sch can keep a single target up pretty well, so if the tanking is done well, onlty the tank is taking the damage. Low ilvl dps should just mean slightly slower runs. Ye I think its an agro issue here.

[Melithea]

I've had at least a dozen smooth and successful speed runs of Brayflox where we pulled to the ramp and I've also had some spectacular failures where the tank folded like a card table. Given my successes and the fact that I'm an ilevel 93 WHM, I lean toward blaming the tank when they die. Either they are standing in the aoe attacks, not mitigating smartly, or they are somehow forcing me to move or otherwise making it so that I cannot focus on casting. I even start the whole thing with a swiftcast+holy, buying a nice big stun for the group to lead in with.

[XNihili]

I did SR this dungeon this way many times and yesterday was the first time I wiped a bunch of times.
If anyone beside the tank (even you) is taking damage, your fairy will heal him thus hindering your way to keep the tank alive.
If the tank is unlucky and get many paralyzes in a row that prevent him from firing his CD.
If the gobtank keep targeting you (or the AOE are always on your way) and you can't cast your heal or you Shadow Flare/Miasma II that are supposed to put some slow on them.
If you lag a little and your or your fairy heal don't even cast.
Even when I managed to get through, the tank was always on the brink of death.

[Leigaon]

Sounds like the tank isn't holding agro off of the dps? -snip.

This has been my major problem so far with these speed runs. Tanks running it like they think it's AK and as a white mage they're either not holding hate causing other dps to take major damage which means I'm throwing cures around like a blind madman. Other occasions, these tanks aren't equipped to take such hits and they're falling quick if they aren't dodging the right stuff. I know "if a person is at iLVxx they should be fine" should be..but aren't always.