Ideas to improve atma-farming

[reel124c41]

If you still want us to do fates for atmas instead of doing something challenging like you did with the relic at first, these are the ways it can be improved to make it less frustrating.

1. option:
Set the droprate to 1% and increase it every 1-2 fates by 1% unless you have a droprate of at least 10% or 15%. This system counts per region.

The next 2 opions allow you to track your progress.

2. option:
Don't use a droprate. Instead change the requirements to "Get the highest fate-ranking 10 (maybe 20) times in each of the 12 regions".

3. option:
Implement fate-points. Just give the players points for every fate, depending on the fate-level (e.g. level 5-fate = 5 fate-points, level 42-fate= 42 fate-points). You can set the amount of needed points to different values depending on the average fate-level of a region. I would suggest around 200-500 depending on the region.

Let me know what you think about my ideas.

[Jeho]

I don't understand why people want to change the drop rates. Yeah, it can suck (took me 10 hours to get the atma of the fish), but that's the whole point. The atma/animus weapon isn't meant to be obtained in a weekend or two. It's supposed to take time. And when people come here to brag about how many atmas they got in an hour -so what? That's part of the RNG.

It's too bad that SE didn't make FFXI a prereq for FFXIV. Then people would have zero issues to bring up and complain about when they remember how much of a TRUE grindfest/timesink FFXI was.

[Enfarious]

I don't understand why people want to change the drop rates. Yeah, it can suck (took me 10 hours to get the atma of the fish), but that's the whole point. The atma/animus weapon isn't meant to be obtained in a weekend or two. It's supposed to take time. And when people come here to brag about how many atmas they got in an hour -so what? That's part of the RNG.

It's too bad that SE didn't make FFXI a prereq for FFXIV. Then people would have zero issues to bring up and complain about when they remember how much of a TRUE grindfest/timesink FFXI was.

The problem with RNG based anything is that it introduces the potential for wild deviation in play time required from person to person. My 20 hours in Upper La Noscea for instance that has yet to yield an atma vs. the guy that has all 12 in under 12 hours total play time. Using RNG as a means to, as so many claim, introduce a time sink is a mistake since it won't actually be a time sink for everyone and it will be a different amount of time for everyone that does try. If you want to make people spend time on a thing to prolong the content actual farming with measurable and consistent rewards is a far better system. Anything that is so unpredictable as this is a mistake.

I played FFXI from 2004~2011 too, I know a bit about grinding lol

[MilesSaintboroguh]

RNG for cosmetic items is fine. RNG for weapon drops when you have just as good and easily obtainable alternatives is fine. Powering up your relic weapon through RNG item drops is bad. RNG for progression is just horrible all around and most people are giving up on it.

[HazelNyan]

The Problem is, that the first relic quest actually rewarded good players, while this one rewards luckers/hard grinders. Would have been ok to let the people gather like 3 Atmas and then let them kill the Ex primals or something similar.

[eremonxi]

Current Atma stage is pretty boring and insulting to hard core players and casual players alike.
I know SE wanted something that even a casual players could work on for 10 minutes each day. Well, OP has 3 awesome ideas for that.

I don't care how long it takes, but make it:
1. Less RNG, and more transparent.
2. If the IQ requirement has to be set so low, put the effort in and make less annoying content for it.


My suggestion would be: Bring Hamlet back, using ALL Jobs (Crafter, Gathereres). Its way more diverse and fun, than any stage 2.0 team has invented yet. And still was time consuming!
It had a 100% drop system, rewarding Teamplay. It wasn't purely useless for people not after relic. And maybe you can even increase the replayability by adding Tiers or 3 different scenarios per area, or more areas to it.

[Gesser]

Do it via timeworn maps instead of FATE's.

[Morphiana]

It's too bad that SE didn't make FFXI a prereq for FFXIV. Then people would have zero issues to bring up and complain about when they remember how much of a TRUE grindfest/timesink FFXI was.

Played FFXI for 8 years. If I wanted to play more FFXI I'd go play it. FFXIV resembles WoW met GW 2 more so than FFXI. Turning this type of game into a grind fest only means it'll do as well as the other MMO grindfests (I am lookin at you TERA / Aion / Lineage / Etc.).

[Maero]

well most if not all this game is rng.
Tried 80+ runs at Ifrit HM for the Bow to drop, never did.
Ct was the same probably did around 80 runs to finally see and get the crimson hat for my blm.
Been trying atmas almost every night since 2.2 and only have 3 atm.
Atma drops belong in EX Primal battles i think

[Chickenbacca]

The fate farming idea was one of the most garbage ideas ever next to Adoulin in ffxi. I've no interest in wasting my time with it anymore. They need to fix this junk or I'm bye bye soon. They could have had us fight primal extremes or something a little more meaningful. Junk drop rates in garbage fates are you friggin' kidding me? The idiot responsible for this creative junk needs to stop breeding immediately.