echo buff...ppl not trying anymore.

[Lyrinn]

dying without trying is a no-go

This is exactly my gripe with what is going on with echo. I'm all for buffing groups who legitimately try and need the boost, but every now and then (thankfully it's not more widespread), there's that one group who thinks echo is an auto-win mechanic and without even trying, intentionally wipe, and then pull a "if we can't clear at max echo, we'll never clear" and bail on the first and only "real" attempt. How anyone can expect to improve their own play when they rely on echo to carry their facerolling is beyond me. Try people, please. You're never going to get better otherwise.

If I got one gil for every time I heard, "lol whatever we got echo now" after a wipe, I'd buy out the entire market board.