echo buff...ppl not trying anymore.

[Warlyx]

joined the trial roulette, after 1 wipe (lack of dps),ppl were talking about wiping on purpouse to get the echo buff , 2nd try at p2 > some1 called out for wipe (no1 was dead at the time) and ppl just jumped off to their deaths.

they were talking about wiping more until echo was at 50%......thats mean 15 min wiping on purpouse.

thats how the game is going to work now? , not even trying , just wiping and wiping until u max the echo then faceroll the boss?

there was a first timer , good 1 experience

left the party disgusted ....

[skaterger]

It would be hilarious if people intentionally wiped before 3 minutes and did not get the echo buff.

[Fynlar]

I've encountered only one group that was specifically wiping at the 3 minute point to fully stack up Echo, solely so that we'd have as much time as possible to attempt the fight with full Echo as possible. It was Titan EX.

Even after two full attempts of doing it this way (meaning, two hours; 30 minutes of wiping and 90 minutes of legitimate tries), we still didn't win doing this.

*shrug* Just goes to show for me how useless the buff is for that particular fight.

[Lyrinn]

Trial roulette into Titan HM, group intentionally jumped off 5 times for echo buff. 5 people still got hit by landslides on the "actual" try.

Echo doesn't make bad players good.

[Hanemakikaze]

Echo can't cure bad, sorry folks but your rock mother can't save you from yourself(not pointing out anyone in particular in the thread).

[Fendred]

I'm pretty much done with end game in FFXIV:ARR for this reason. The community in general isn't as skilled as Yoshida's content demands that they be. On top of which, there are a number of highly skilled players who are stuck because they do not have the time to form statics like they did 5 or 10 years ago. Then of course we have the people doing statics wrong, thinking they need to do 4-5 hours a night to clear content... which would generally indicate they are grabbing people who are not skilled enough to handle the stuff. So in the end, we have a really small number of static groups who can actually clear the content effectively.

The echo buff situation just illustrates the issue. The only solution I can think of is that it would be best to deal with how things actually are and not "what they should be." The way things actually are indicate that the complexity for the damage dealing classes/jobs is too much for most players and the boss fights are too cumbersome for them. Plus, we live in a day and age where people want to be able to accomplish something meaningful in a short time, and so party finder becomes a way for people to get a "quick fix" on raiding. Aka, people jump in for 1-3 attempts and then drop. No group can progress on the hardest content in that kind of environment. I'm still trying to help the rest of my friends get through Twintania... Its a nightmare.

[Synthesis]

This is the part of game now and game offers this possibility. Why to try hard when you can die 5x to get free bonus.

My personal opinion on echo is meh (there's higher ilvl gear for 50s now which could help in old content instead of this echo thing). Our FC wasn't able to beat Twintania yet - 1 hour of T5 per week, wasn't enough for me + we had really hard time to form party together every week. I stopped playing already so who cares anyway. Echo didn't save us btw.

[Doo]

Trial roulette into Titan HM, group intentionally jumped off 5 times for echo buff. 5 people still got hit by landslides on the "actual" try.

Echo doesn't make bad players good.

Echo is a lazy way to implement making content easier. Fights like Titan it doesn't help much and Ifrit it can end up hurting you. For fights like coil though echo makes it a cake walk.

[ImDingDing]

Echo is a lazy way to implement making content easier. Fights like Titan it doesn't help much and Ifrit it can end up hurting you. For fights like coil though echo makes it a cake walk.

Even worse in coil we get auto-echo from the 1st min and if I click it off people will vote-kick me...

[Rufalus]

Did binding coil turn 1 using the duty finder tonight with the fixed amount of echo activated from the start. We still never beat it. Did about 10 wipes with an ever changing party due to people constantly quiting and being replaced. I don't think the currently planned amounts of echo are going to be enough to see everyone through. Maybe a 100% boosts to stats could see some people catch up on the old raids and extreme primals. For a lot of people, something like Aurum Vale or Pharos Sirius pushes them to the limit. There is a huge gulf in difficulty between those dungeons and the coil raids. Unless you are privileged enough to be in an elite FC, the raids and ex primals still feel like a very distant goal for people relying on random parties.