Coil T1 with Duty Finder

[Elliott]

Hello, folks in the forum. I'm here to voice a concern I'm having with both Duty Finder and one certain fight, though there might be more with the same issue.

The problem is that now that we can go into Coil through Duty Finder, I've sometimes seen groups in Turn 1 where nobody has a silence. As many of you know, ADS in Turn 1 cannot be stunned, and thus, the only way of interrupting casts is through silencing.
This is where the issue lies. If nobody silences the raid/group damage, everybody will take a chunk of damage, plus get paralyzed. As somebody who plays healer, I simply have to trust people silence it if possible, and because of that, I do not always pre-cast Medica/Medica II/Cure III, and to be frank, I don't even have the time to look at the casting of the boss, so I don't even know when the attack is coming to begin with, since I'm usually too busy healing OT.

As such, I might be completely screwed over by the paralyze, OT might die, and most of the time, the duty is simply abandoned. I understand that this fight is originally designed for organized groups, where this wasn't an issue. However, because the Duty Finder simply finds people for the roles and nothing more, these things happen.

With enough effort, it can be beaten either way, but it would be great if the boss could be stunnable. I'd love to hear opinions from the people reading this post, and also suggestions in order to prevent such things from being the downfall of the group.

However, what I do not want is people saying "tell people to do their job" because that simply isn't useful. If we need somebody to interrupt a skill, we tell them to do it. If they don't, we ask why. If that person simply refuses, we either try to get another person to do it, or we try to explain why that person has to do it, if nobody else is available to do that job.
Therefore, saying "tell people to do their job" is not the way to go. It is negative, and should be the first thing to do either way, though not simply by saying "do your job". Such comments are what is making the online community very toxic. It should be avoided at all costs.

[Donjo]

Hmmm... as far as I can think, the only party composition(s) that would have no silences at all are:

WAR, WAR, WHM, WHM, DRG, BLM, SMN, [Any of the previous 3 DPS]

PLD, BRD, MNK, and SCH all have a silence available to them. MNK can solo silence the entire fight, and SCH silence is admittedly unreliable, but it's there. Otherwise, you need both a PLD and a BRD to silence the fight.

I gotta say, the odds of actually having no access to silence in a randomly selected party are actually pretty slim. Condolences to you, OP.

[i2agnarok]

My friends and I will usually party finder until we have the required classes if a Turn needs them.
Granted, we will still get the Derps that won't Silence properly, but that's on the player.
MNK and SCH silences aren't convenient in the least, so they really need to be on top of it.
But yeah, we Party Finder most of the Turns to a certain extent; I wouldn't jump in any of these solo as I am a DRG and there's too much room for error on compositions.

Granted, you can power through a lot of these with certain gear thresholds due to Echo; we have accidentally rolled into T2 without a Bard with a WAR tank (someone swapped out in Party Finder and no one noticed), doing Enrage even. We've brute forced T4 without any magic DPS somehow (that was extremely messy, but cleared).

[Lithera]

I'm actually not sure if they tweaked Turn 1 ADS the same way as Turn 2, but if so you can Esuna the paralyze and cure through it. Shouldn't take the healers long to take para off the important people ( them and the tanks). You can also pick off the adds as they come instead of supertanking them to take the weight off the healers.

[Elliott]

It has happened to me a few times, and some of the times, we only had one who could silence, which we succeeded with, but barely. Paralyze stunned me, OT died, adds went after me and second healer, we died, and the group was almost dead when ADS went down. This being when we actually had somebody silencing half of the time.

Using PF seems like a fair suggestion, all things considered.

Also, Esuna does work now, which is really neat. I have tried that most of the times, but the amount of times paralyze has activated during that short cast has made me want to ragequit. If you do get that activation, you have one option. Hope it doesn't happen again and heal, all buffs activated. Either I have really bad luck, or this is a consistent problem.

[i2agnarok]

Yeah, I strongly suggest the PF for the required roles; there was a thread before Coil went to DF where I guessed this would happen.
Really, its a huge game of chance; you may/not get the roles you need, and the person may/not know the fight.
There's way too many variables involved for my tastes.
The way I look at it, the more people that come in through DF, the more chances of failure, imo.
The ones that come in with the bare minimum for the DF will also most likely not know the fight and/or may not follow instructions.
Or even mention that they don't know what's coming up.
Also, trying to DF Turns 4 or 5 is going to be an exercise in extreme frustration.
Especially 5.

[Zedds_Dead]

You must have an amazing WAR buddy.

#trustory =-/

[Lemon8or]

High Voltage barely does anything now especially with 10% Echo. You can just Esuna/Leeche yourself (which is a pretty fast cast) and continue healing. Or people need to learn to bring the Potent Silencing Potion.

[i2agnarok]

You must have an amazing WAR buddy.

Rofl, I do have an amazing WAR buddy, but he wasn't with me on this run. :P
It was really just an extreme case of luck.
The WHM removed paralyze on themselves first.
Melee DPS started moving out of AOEs a little earlier after HV than usual.
Ranged spread out a bit.
We really just lucked out on the timing of paralysis procing and everyone knowing the fight rotation.
If that party was DF'd I don't think the result would have been the same, heh.

EDIT: Like Lemon8or said, it might not be such a big deal in T1, depending on who's standing where and the timing on the procs.
But that's going to be based on luck, average ilvl, party makeup, knowledge, etc.
Its going to be more annoying in T2 though, for sure.

[Elliott]

High Voltage barely does anything now especially with 10% Echo. You can just Esuna/Leeche yourself (which is a pretty fast cast) and continue healing. Or people need to learn to bring the Potent Silencing Potion.

I don't mean to be offensive, but I'd love to see you, or anybody else do that with tanks who can just barely get into T1. Also, Potent Silencing Potion isn't even an option, since it's Duty Finder with random people. I'd do it if I wasn't healing, but if you expect them to do it, you're going to have a bad time.
I know that it looks like I'm just complaining a lot, but the ilvl requirement is simply way too low, unless everybody does everything perfectly, which is extremely unlikely.