The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

[Akiza]

It's simply because SMN is harder to play optimally and BLM has muh numbers. No amount of tweaking will change that without killing the way SMN plays. Hell SMN was already simplified when we lost Thunder. We're already a top DPS, outside of some QoL changes we don't need any real tweaking. Also the last patches gave us some of those QoL things we've been wanting, like Obey without a target and such.

People switch to Black Mage from Summoner because it's better designed and feels like its actual job not because it's easier to use with the Summoner on the other hand doesn't feel like a Summoner it's designe feels rushed and incomplete. I have six people in my FC that switched to Black Mage from Summoner because of the how poorly Summoner was designed and implemented.

[Viridiana]

People switch to Black Mage from Summoner because it's better designed and feels like its actual job not because it's easier to use with the Summoner on the other hand doesn't feel like a Summoner it's designe feels rushed and incomplete. I have six people in my FC that switched to Black Mage from Summoner because of the how poorly Summoner was designed and implemented.

If I had to listen to you wail and moan throughout my play time about how much SMN sucks, I'd probably switch, too.

[Ardan]

If SMN is that much of a disappointment to you, why even bother playing the job at all if it irks you so much. If it's as bad as you say, (which it isn't by any stretch of the imagination, bar yours) why not join the BLM crew like the rest of your FC mates did. Seems to make a lot more sense than just cry tsunamis of tears all over the forums.

[Pooky_Pasha]

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With a controller, I can literally play BLM with one hand at 90% efficiency and get big shiny numbers to boost my e-peen. With SMN, it takes both hands constantly moving, and all I get to really see is 350! Ruin/Ruin II crits and the occasional Fester crit. I have to look really, really hard to see my DoT damage and pet damage. That's why people go to BLM...for the big, shiny CRITS! and easy game play, while SMN sees small numbers with more complicated game play. But if played to even 80% potential, SMN is on the heals of most BLM AoE (especially <5 targets) and easily tops BLM in single target damage. Considering the overall superior damage and extremely superior utility SMN brings, it's easily worth the little bit of extra work. Most people just don't want to do it.

Before he quit, I had someone in my FC that swore up and down that SMN was the lowest dps and SCH was the worst single target healer, all because he didn't see big numbers and bigger CRITS!. Misconceptions like these and the ones you spout do not help SMN at all.

[Razard]

If SMN is that much of a disappointment to you, why even bother playing the job at all if it irks you so much. If it's as bad as you say, (which it isn't by any stretch of the imagination, bar yours) why not join the BLM crew like the rest of your FC mates did. Seems to make a lot more sense than just cry tsunamis of tears all over the forums.

Because leveling a different class is haaaarrrd?O_o? Akiza would much rather S-E change the entire class to what he wants to validate the his choice to go SMN.

[Viridiana]

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You're talking to a person who once claimed his Ruin was worth 220 dps by itself, with the pets doing another 200+. I don't think you're going to be able to argue numbers with him. >_>

[Pooky_Pasha]

You're talking to a person who once claimed his Ruin was worth 220 dps by itself, with the pets doing another 200+. I don't think you're going to be able to argue numbers with him. >_>

I'm glad I missed that. I probably saved myself a concussion from what would have been repeated /facepalms

[Wolf_Shay]

I'm officially upset with myself for opening another thread in which Akiza and Jediman have been bitching about what Summoning really is, and what they would do which is better than what SE would do. I love my Summoner, I really do. Am I playing optimally? Probably not. But it's a thematic, gorgeously built class that makes me glad I started as an Arcanist, and the lore surrounding Primals and the ties to Allagan summoning just make me squee internall...much like I would outwardly if Nathan Fillion walked up and asked for the time.

[Akiza]

Then is pathetic Summoner is percieved as such a great job then why do most players think that the Summoner has the lowest dps why do most end game raids don't have a slot for the Summoner instead they consist of 2 Black Mages, Bard and Monk/Dragoon.

[lordparanoia]

People switch to Black Mage from Summoner because it's better designed and feels like its actual job not because it's easier to use with the Summoner on the other hand doesn't feel like a Summoner it's designe feels rushed and incomplete. I have six people in my FC that switched to Black Mage from Summoner because of the how poorly Summoner was designed and implemented.

I switched from BLM to SMN. Black Mage has less abilities and I find that blm is poorer then SMN in terms of abilities and difficulty. BLM looks kinda brainless.
And honestly I don't want to go back to BLM.
The real fact is that to play well smn you need practice. To play well blm you just need to push the "Fire" button and Blizzard 3 button