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    Donjo's Avatar
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Quote Originally Posted by enil View Post
    You definately do not over 400 to get 5 PB skills, I'm currently running 377 and still can do it. You might have issues if you use macros and are unable to queue abilities and I believe you can still do it with even less SkS. There is defintive proof, I believe testing was done with characters under level 50 vs target dummies. They were able to get 100% hit rate from the back over 1000s of attacks while missing from front/flank.
    Well, that's pretty neat. I hope we can get extensive numbers soon for the Second Coil then. Also, I never said "over" 400. I said "around 400", of which 356(the OP's SkS in their current 2.1 BiS set) definitely is not. I'm currently at 372 and it's usually pretty close for me, particularly if I use a long animation move as my final hit. It's reasonable to assume that having between 390-400 makes a 5 hit PB all kinds of easy and isn't enough SkS to make TP a huge issue in long fights. Either way, it seems more difficult to avoid SkS this patch than in 2.1. We'll just have to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misake View Post
    I don't know where Donjo came from but everything he said is false.

    Here's my advice: Get the crafted chest, gloves, belt and shoes, meld them to the max with accuracy, det, etc.. You should have MORE than enough accuracy and plenty of DPS till turn 8 with Allagan Baghnaks. Now, if your group allow you to get the items from coil in order to get your Glanzfaust weapon, then there is where you should spend your soldiery.

    You definitely don't need wave patas, nor wasting your time getting the mirror in order to upgrade it to tidal wave patas since it is shit anyway.
    Also the 400 SS required is another broscience circulating in this forum.
    Um, toxic forum environment much? We've already proven that I was wrong about the accuracy cap, but that is literally the only thing in my post that can be construed as factually false. Everything else is just a matter of differing opinions.

    You want the OP to buy four crafted i90 pieces and completely meld them? He has zero crafting classes at all. It would literally cost millions of gil to do this. Additionally, research would have to be done on each piece regarding whether or not the secondary stats added by this outweigh the strength being lost by not actually having an i100 item. Vitality must also be considered if the Second Coil has significant unavoidable damage.

    Also, the Wave Patas are not shit, and the Tidal Wave Patas are especially not shit. The Sphairai Animus, however, is shit. Trying to say that the Allagan Baghnakhs are better than the Tidal Wave Patas is false, as 2 WD > 19 Det. The Tidal Wave Patas are the best i100 weapon to invest in until the Glanzfaust is reasonably obtainable. If the Weathered Glanzfaust is reasonably obtainable right now, then there's no harm in saving the tomes for it. After all, upgrading a DPS weapon is the best way to increase damage. Here's the 2.2 weapon breakdown from worst to best:

    Wave Patas =? Allagan Baghnakhs(Depends if Acc is an issue) < Sphairai Animus < Tidal Wave Patas < Weathered Glanzfaust < Glanzfaust < High Allagan Baghnakhs.

    To reiterate, Weapon Damage is better than any number of secondary stats that can be gained by foregoing it.

    To the OP: If you can hit Turn 7's Accuracy cap, whatever it is, without spending Soldiery, and then get that Unidentified Tomestone, the Weathered Glanzfaust is probably the best first thing to spend tomes on. Getting the Wave Patas is the easiest way for you to get additional Accuracy if you need it, and it will not make you lose a catastrophic amount of damage. Don't forget the Ribbon of Slaying either; it's the best 100 for Monks, I'd say.
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    Ricdeau Cyton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Well, that's pretty neat. I hope we can get extensive numbers soon for the Second Coil then. Also, I never said "over" 400. I said "around 400", of which 356(the OP's SkS in their current 2.1 BiS set) definitely is not. I'm currently at 372 and it's usually pretty close for me, particularly if I use a long animation move as my final hit. It's reasonable to assume that having between 390-400 makes a 5 hit PB all kinds of easy and isn't enough SkS to make TP a huge issue in long fights. Either way, it seems more difficult to avoid SkS this patch than in 2.1. We'll just have to see.
    I just wanted to throw this in. I have 356 skill speed, and I can do 5 weapon skill from a fresh Perfect Balance while still weaving in my damage buffs and off GCDs. No real difficulty in doing it until it's a poor boss pull and it's moving around too much, but even with some movement getting off 5 moves, buffs, and off GCDs isn't a problem.

    I dropped down to 356 just recently as well so previously my skill speed was 391 (I think) at the beginning of last week, and was at 441 until I bought the soldiery chest second week of 2.2. I haven't noticed any real difference in being able to do 5 skills under PB regardless of the skill speed involved. I'd get screwed by the same things regardless of my current speed.
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    Last edited by Ricdeau; 04-15-2014 at 03:21 AM.