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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider View Post
    And if you really want to take it a step further, it's heavily implied that Livia has some SERIOUS daddy issues. Like… wow. SE's kinda messed up.
    Not just implied. Nero flat out states that her thinking is clouded because she's in love with Gaius.
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    It sucks how little SE went over the commander's backstories. Hearing Rhititayn portray his nation joining the Garlean empire and Livia's love for Gaius (I assume) made me want to know more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melinia View Post
    Not just implied. Nero flat out states that her thinking is clouded because she's in love with Gaius.
    And even more so, Gaius takes advantage of this.

    Hence the scene before you enter Castrum:

    Gaius: "You. My quarters… one hour."

    And then Livia just nods and heads off.
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  4. #14
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    Orophin Calmcacil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    legions
    While we haven't been formally introduced to them, there are members of the other Legions present out in the other Castrums in the world. XIVDB has the 1st - 5th Cohorts listed, as well as the 7th and 8th. I would assume each Cohort is a smaller section of each respective Legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orophin View Post
    While we haven't been formally introduced to them, there are members of the other Legions present out in the other Castrums in the world. XIVDB has the 1st - 5th Cohorts listed, as well as the 7th and 8th. I would assume each Cohort is a smaller section of each respective Legion.
    Roman legions were made up of 10 cohorts named first to tenth cohort. Garlean cohorts would most likely be the same (except possibly the number per legion), so those are 1st-8th cohorts of the XIVth legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finiteHP View Post
    Roman legions were made up of 10 cohorts named first to tenth cohort. Garlean cohorts would most likely be the same (except possibly the number per legion), so those are 1st-8th cohorts of the XIVth legion.
    Yes, but as we're about to go all military-history badass on ourselves, you'd say that was the IDEAL Legion. As you know, realities, funds, troop availability, commander's preferences all acted to see that the ideal 10-cohort legion was a very rare Eagle, just like a Centurion rarely commanded *just* 100 troopers

    I still wonder why the Garlean field troops are named after Gladiator types... it may mean nothing, I know, but there IS a big philosophical difference in a battle-ready legionnaire with gladius, pilum, and verutum; and fighters trained to die gloriously for entertainment in an arena.
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    That implies that Garlemand trained them in any way, and didn't just deal with insurrection by taking all the willing and able fighters and throwing them into the Armies to keep them under watchful eye. They could promote certain, actually capable and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, members of the subjugated in order to KEEP them down by giving them false hope of becoming part of the greater nation. Hope is morale, morale keeps people from rebelling, rebellion is put down by burning everything and everyone down to unborn children, then salting the earth and poisoning the wells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gornotck View Post
    That implies that Garlemand trained them in any way, and didn't just deal with insurrection by taking all the willing and able fighters and throwing them into the Armies to keep them under watchful eye. They could promote certain, actually capable and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, members of the subjugated in order to KEEP them down by giving them false hope of becoming part of the greater nation. Hope is morale, morale keeps people from rebelling, rebellion is put down by burning everything and everyone down to unborn children, then salting the earth and poisoning the wells.
    I heard something like this once…

    http://youtu.be/FFvN2y9PI3s?t=1m3s
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    Quote Originally Posted by gornotck View Post
    That implies that Garlemand trained them in any way, and didn't just deal with insurrection by taking all the willing and able fighters and throwing them into the Armies to keep them under watchful eye. They could promote certain, actually capable and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, members of the subjugated in order to KEEP them down by giving them false hope of becoming part of the greater nation. Hope is morale, morale keeps people from rebelling, rebellion is put down by burning everything and everyone down to unborn children, then salting the earth and poisoning the wells.
    You're pretty much on the right track - version 1.0 had an Echo-scene where the player saw Garlean soldiers rounding up Ala Mhigan children and brainwashing them into zealously hating the beastmen and the Primals - within moments the kids go from scared orphans into anti-beast men zealots, and are then taken by the soldiers back to a waiting Garlean airship, their fates unknown, but presumably they're then taken into the military and trained as soldiers.

    Having said that, not all Garlean troops are brainwashed or even believe their dogma - remember Dest the marooned Garlean Juggernaut pilot in Eastern La Noscea? All he wants is to save up enough money to return to his wife and family on Othard, as he hates the military and doesn't follow any of Garlemald's ideologies - suggesting he was forced into the military against his will and simply did what he had to do to survive, and that being marooned gave him an opportunity to escape Garlemald's attention without reprisals.

    This also explains why he simply didn't just return to Castrum Occidens - they probably would have reprimanded him, maybe even executed him, for 'insubordination' or some other trumped up charge. Unfortunately though, he seems to be more the exception than the rule when it comes to Garlean troops shown in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
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    There is probably a mandatory conscription, with a punishment of imprisonment or worse execution.
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