Does Leviathan Cheat?

[dejavutwo]

There are actually a couple of fights where over DPS can be a problem. Wiped in Titan EX once due to over DPS. Twintania and Raffelsia needs to control phase changes if not it could be messy.

Weird SE logic

I understand having to hold dps for phase switches and control, but something like Ifrit's hard enrage or apparently Leviathan just wiping your group on the shield are incredibly poor mechanics. Instead of things like the original Pharos Sirius, where rapid dps could make the fight harder, there is not warning that you are doing too well and is a huge slap in the face for a group that is executing the fight well.

If they are going to have a fight that is about controlling DPS, thats fine - Pharos Sirius was full of good examples of those mechanics. Holding for phase transitions is ok, but would make more sense if we could see the enemy's HP as a percentage, so that parsers are not needed. Wiping because your dps was too high through the entire fight with no warning is just plain infuriating and poor design.

[Ooshima]

We had to stop our Summoners from using Bane during the final nail phase of Ifrit Extreme because it would push him into the hard enrage.

Fun times.

but something like Ifrit's hard enrage or apparently Leviathan just wiping your group on the shield are incredibly poor mechanics.
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Actually.. I've never personally encountered that. What's the Ifrit sudden hard enrage about? For me there were once we fought Ifrit EX with 3 BRDs and we DoT the hell out of every single nail and ended up like half of them exploded back-to-back (with probably time spare before he cast hellfire) and that resulted a wipe

[Vaer]

Actually.. I've never personally encountered that. What's the Ifrit sudden hard enrage about? For me there were once we fought Ifrit EX with 3 BRDs and we DoT the hell out of every single nail and ended up like half of them exploded back-to-back (with probably time spare before he cast hellfire) and that resulted a wipe

Pretty much the same as here. If Ifrit hits a certain % while the final nails are still up he will just wipe the party with a nails still up Hellfire. I'm assuming it's there to make sure you don't just ignore the last nail phase and just burn Ifrit down.

Can't stop DoTs already on Ifrit from ticking though so sometimes accidents happen when the DoTs push him below the threshold.

[valho]

Don't think this is the same case as ifrit ex, my group had push our dps that Levi skip some of the dive phases, pretty much never dive while spawning the 2 adds, follow by the caster then the spumes. The worst thing that I have seen happen when pushing dps is having caster add spawn when Levi still diving, or Levi diving and spawning spumes at the same time, this causes some confusion to some people and they die since they wasn't expecting it.

The only time we died to shield is always when pressing too late.

[dejavutwo]

Actually.. I've never personally encountered that. What's the Ifrit sudden hard enrage about? For me there were once we fought Ifrit EX with 3 BRDs and we DoT the hell out of every single nail and ended up like half of them exploded back-to-back (with probably time spare before he cast hellfire) and that resulted a wipe

As Vaer said, if Ifrit's health gets too low during nail phase, he just jumps right away and wipes your party. I've run into it a few times while in DF trying to unlock Leviathan. I was so frustrated the first time it happened because in no way did it feel like a fair wipe. We had everyone up, had downed just under half the nails, and had ~10 minutes left in the duty, and then even though we were following the mechanics, Ifrit decided to wipe us.

[Ooshima]

Pretty much the same as here. If Ifrit hits a certain % while the final nails are still up he will just wipe the party with a nails still up Hellfire. I'm assuming it's there to make sure you don't just ignore the last nail phase and just burn Ifrit down.

Can't stop DoTs already on Ifrit from ticking though so sometimes accidents happen when the DoTs push him below the threshold.

Don't think this is the same case as ifrit ex, my group had push our dps that Levi skip some of the dive phases, pretty much never dive while spawning the 2 adds, follow by the caster then the spumes. The worst thing that I have seen happen when pushing dps is having caster add spawn when Levi still diving, or Levi diving and spawning spumes at the same time, this causes some confusion to some people and they die since they wasn't expecting it.

The only time we died to shield is always when pressing too late.

That's interesting.

Just to add on of cases - last night's T7 we had a weird occurrence. We know Curse Shriek comes after every 2 Cursed Voice. There was once Shriek was supposed to come, and the MT calls it. I was the BRD and thus was watching other things and then my muscle memory and instinct told me Shirek should be done by now and I asked the team why Renauld is still up? Can I kill it?

MT yells NO NO NO DON'T SHRIEK IS NOT UP! - I was like WAT?! Then immediately another Cursed Voice came which was the 3rd Cursed Voice in a row. After the healer re-petrified the same Renauld I was talking about, another Renauld spawned on the direct opposite end.. guess what.. I got the Shriek and we were like oh f**k lol.

We wiped because we didn't expect this and I couldn't pull the new Renauld because I have to move into position to Shriek and the team was stumped at this occurrence and no one pulls the new Renauld and it killed people. Anyways I think even if someone pulls, he will still die because he can't manuveur out due to impending Shriek.

One hell of a mess, which we believe it was due to hitting too hard on Melsuine and forcing her to skip certain stuff.

This game has quite some silly mechanics that punishes you for either under DPS or over DPS...

[LunarEmerald]

I've seen him cheat before. Bar was well over 30, shield was activated right after his jump but we still died. Only happened once.